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@davetroy@toad.socialDemocrats can choose between voting for the bad CR and fixing things later, or shutting down the government, risking having it never re-open — what Musk wants. Repudiate the bill, demand changes, but don’t fall for the trap and also be blamed for it.
@davetroy How often does the minority party end up taking the blame for a government shutdown? I’m not saying that is the only calculus involved here, but I’m not sure they would take the blame.
@collin @davetroy
To me it seems clear that the House Republicans are trying to bully the Senate into capitulation by taking no D input and then adjourning. If D's fold under this bullying they will abdicate the rest of their modest power.
Anyway, why can't the R's pass it? Don't they have the votes? Isn't it the job of the majority party to ensure they have the votes to pass bills?
@davetroy I've instructed my Senators to halt voting for **any** Republican legislation until the runaway Executive gets back in line with faithfully executing the laws as written. If the executive branch thinks they can ignore established law, defund what Congress has lawfully funded, then why do legislators even exist? They might shut down the government? They're actively dismantling government and the rule of law as we speak.
@davetroy disagree. They're burning everything to the ground no matter what, opposing it means no collaboration. Period.
@davetroy FFS....so Spineless.
Fund the government so they can dismantle it with legal cover. They will destroy every part of the government, but Democrats won't get 'the blame' ....
All of those who's lives will be destroyed will feel much better knowing the democrats are blameless.
@JoeGrowling that has nothing to do with it. If the government is shut down, it will not reopen; and that's Musk's goal.
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-has-wanted-the-government-shut-down/
@davetroy @JoeGrowling if they really want a government shutdown, that's easy. Just don't even propose a funding bill in the first place. Maybe they have slightly better optics by offering a dead deal to start with, but eventually they will feel the pressure when it becomes clear they aren't actually trying.
Meanwhile, the American public gets to feel where MAGA plans to take us with no time to get used to it. The longer that lasts, the longer it will sink in how bad that is.
Finally, in the long term, no funding = no army, no border control, nothing. Even the most nihilistic Republican still wants that.
The main reason the Democrats would much rather sit and watch TrumpMusKKK gut and loot whatever is left of our public social welfare state is because their millionaire/billionaire donors are going to make a killing off the massacre, and Democrats want in on the booty.
100%.
@davetroy my concern: Trump/Elon have been FLAGRANTLY abusing the power of the purse clearly delegated to Congress. If Congress doesn’t loudly reassert its authority over spending, it’ll be a tacit acceptance of DOGE’s usurpations, and the beginning of the end of institutional relevancy. Threatening govt shutdowns and really meaning it is a key way to exert this power. Take this away, make the institution categorically unwilling to go that far, and you remove its institutional fangs.
