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Paris Marx<p>Is it possible to imagine a better future where we use less computation? The effects of AI hype almost demand it.</p><p>On <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/TechWontSaveUs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TechWontSaveUs</span></a>, I spoke with <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://kolektiva.social/@danmcquillan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>danmcquillan</span></a></span> so he could lay out the concept of decomputing as a different way of assessing technology.</p><p>Listen to the full episode: <a href="https://techwontsave.us/episode/286_decomputing_for_a_better_future_w_dan_mcquillan" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">techwontsave.us/episode/286_de</span><span class="invisible">computing_for_a_better_future_w_dan_mcquillan</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/tech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>tech</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/decomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>decomputing</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/ai" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ai</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/generativeai" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>generativeai</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/aihype" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>aihype</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/siliconvalley" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>siliconvalley</span></a></p>
Thomas Fricke (he/him)<p>Decomputing as Resistance</p><p><a href="https://danmcquillan.org/decomputing_as_resistance.html" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">danmcquillan.org/decomputing_a</span><span class="invisible">s_resistance.html</span></a></p><p>Great Text by <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://kolektiva.social/@danmcquillan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>danmcquillan</span></a></span> about <a href="https://23.social/tags/decomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>decomputing</span></a> <a href="https://23.social/tags/ai" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ai</span></a> and <a href="https://23.social/tags/degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>degrowth</span></a></p>
Babu Menos 🎵 #NoAI<p>I’m still not sure what’s worse.</p><p>That ‘AI’¹ needs unfathomable amounts of energy, single-handedly bringing back nuclear power, and perverse amounts of cooling liquid, draining the fresh water reserves of small towns²?</p><p>That ‘AI’ keeps being trained by data sources the creators of which never agreed on being used this way³?</p><p>That ‘AI’ needs to be stripped of terrible, toxic content by human beings living in the Global South who have to endure perversion, aggression, and any *ism you might imagine, and who are paid for this torture obscenely low wages⁴?</p><p>Or that ‘AI’ tends to make people stupider⁵ and learners lazier⁶?</p><p>In any case, avoid any form of ‘AI’ like the plague it is.</p><p>Inspiration: <a href="https://makingandbreaking.org/article/psychogeography-of-ai/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">makingandbreaking.org/article/</span><span class="invisible">psychogeography-of-ai/</span></a> by <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://kolektiva.social/@danmcquillan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>danmcquillan</span></a></span></p><p>¹ It’s not intelligence, hence the ‘air quotes’</p><p>² <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/cindygordon/2024/02/25/ai-is-accelerating-the-loss-of-our-scarcest-natural-resource-water/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">forbes.com/sites/cindygordon/2</span><span class="invisible">024/02/25/ai-is-accelerating-the-loss-of-our-scarcest-natural-resource-water/</span></a></p><p>³ <a href="https://copyrightalliance.org/ai-copyright-infringement-cases-insights/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">copyrightalliance.org/ai-copyr</span><span class="invisible">ight-infringement-cases-insights/</span></a></p><p>⁴ <a href="https://time.com/6247678/openai-chatgpt-kenya-workers/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">time.com/6247678/openai-chatgp</span><span class="invisible">t-kenya-workers/</span></a></p><p>⁵ <a href="https://thejournal.com/articles/2025/02/21/study-finds-generative-ai-could-inhibit-critical-thinking.aspx" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">thejournal.com/articles/2025/0</span><span class="invisible">2/21/study-finds-generative-ai-could-inhibit-critical-thinking.aspx</span></a></p><p>⁶ <a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2023.104967" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">doi.org/10.1016/j.compedu.2023</span><span class="invisible">.104967</span></a></p><p><a href="https://sunny.garden/tags/NoAI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NoAI</span></a> <a href="https://sunny.garden/tags/AINotArt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AINotArt</span></a> <a href="https://sunny.garden/tags/Decomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Decomputing</span></a> <a href="https://sunny.garden/tags/AvoidAI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AvoidAI</span></a> <a href="https://sunny.garden/tags/AIKills" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AIKills</span></a> <a href="https://sunny.garden/tags/FightAI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>FightAI</span></a></p>
Karsten Schmidt<p>Upcoming seminar by <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://kolektiva.social/@danmcquillan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>danmcquillan</span></a></span>:</p><p>"Drawing on Illich's 'Tools for Conviviality', this talk will argue that an important role for the contemporary university is to resist AI. The university as a space for the pursuit of knowledge and the development of independent thought has long been undermined by neoliberal restructuring and the ambitions of the Ed Tech industry. So-called generative AI has added computational shock and awe to the assault on criticality, both inside and outside higher education, despite the gulf between the rhetoric and the actual capacities of its computational operations. Such is the synergy between AI's dissimulations and emerging political currents that AI will become embedded in all aspects of students' lives at university and afterwards, preempting and foreclosing diverse futures. It's vital to develop alternatives to AI's optimised nihilism and to sustain the joyful knowledge that nothing is inevitable and other worlds are still possible. The talk will ask what Illich has to teach us about an approach to technology that prioritises creativity and autonomy, how we can bolster academic inquiry through technical inquiry, workers' inquiry and struggle inquiry, and whether the future of higher education should enrol lecturers and students in a process of collective decomputing."</p><p><a href="https://danmcquillan.org/cpct_abstract.html" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">danmcquillan.org/cpct_abstract</span><span class="invisible">.html</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.thi.ng/tags/IvanIllich" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IvanIllich</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.thi.ng/tags/Conviviality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Conviviality</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.thi.ng/tags/Decomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Decomputing</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.thi.ng/tags/Degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Degrowth</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.thi.ng/tags/Education" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Education</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.thi.ng/tags/Creativity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Creativity</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.thi.ng/tags/Learning" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Learning</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.thi.ng/tags/University" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>University</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.thi.ng/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AI</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.thi.ng/tags/LLM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LLM</span></a></p>
Elisabet Roselló<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://climatejustice.social/@osfa_2030" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>osfa_2030</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://masto.es/@tunubesecamirio" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>tunubesecamirio</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@motorhueso" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>motorhueso</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@ana_valdi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>ana_valdi</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@manje" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>manje</span></a></span> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/decomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>decomputing</span></a> no es un problema solo tecnológico, sino sociotécnico. Así que vale la pena refrescar una de las referencias como Geels and co. :)</p><p>Es decir, no es un problema de reducir (¿a quién se le va a pedir reducir y cómo se puede conseguir eso? También interesante tener en cuenta teoría de juegos e incentivos económico-culturales y psicológicos). Es contraintuitivo: para que se consiga la reducción como meta antes hay que modificar..</p>
osfa_2030<p>Discusión de la idea de "decomputing". Queridxs amigxs: Dan McQuillan viene proponiendo la idea de "decomputing" --- descomputacion --- como alternativa al "hype" o "con" de la IA. Mañana da una charla en Edimburgo que se puede ver en zoom. Decomputing tiene que ver, pienso, con decrecimiento. A la vez no parece que sea una propuesta primitivista de eliminar completamente la computación.<br>¿Podríamos intercambiar algunas ideas sobre el tema...?!<br>Dada la dependencia de nuestra cultura y economía respecto de la computación, supongo que sería una cuestión de equilibrio: habría que reducir, pero en qué grado es para mí toda una incógnita...<br>En realidad, las opiniones sobre cuánto y en qué sectores habría que decrecer son muy variables, y la mayoría de las veces bastante abstractas... Otras, como el libro de Almazán y González Reyes, pintan un panorama desolador, prácticamente de vuelta a la tracción animal y el casi abandono de las máquinas...<br>Supongo que el tema de las emisiones y los acuerdos de París son una de las referencias...<br>Cosas que se me ocurren...<br><a href="https://climatejustice.social/tags/decomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>decomputing</span></a> <br><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://masto.es/@tunubesecamirio" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>tunubesecamirio</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@motorhueso" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>motorhueso</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@ana_valdi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>ana_valdi</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@manje" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>manje</span></a></span></p>
mr.w0bb1t<p>Decomputing as <a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/tags/Resistance" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Resistance</span></a> · "This talk will advocate for <a href="https://tldr.nettime.org/tags/decomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>decomputing</span></a> as a means to unstitch the shroud of AI which is being draped over our collective futures."</p><p>👉🏻 <a href="https://www.mediacoop.uni-siegen.de/de/veranstaltungen/ringvorlesung-unstitching-datafication8/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">mediacoop.uni-siegen.de/de/ver</span><span class="invisible">anstaltungen/ringvorlesung-unstitching-datafication8/</span></a></p>
danmcquillan<p>Big tech is Ransomware. They've stolen all our data and hold all our vital services in the Cloud and at their mercy. We keep paying, or they pull the plug on society. Now is the time for <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/decomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>decomputing</span></a></p>
Mark Burton<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.scot/@simon_brooke" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>simon_brooke</span></a></span><br> <br>"<a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Decomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Decomputing</span></a> claims that the act of opposing AI's intensification of social and environmental harms is at the same time the assertion that other worlds are possible. It parallels contemporary calls for <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>degrowth</span></a>, which also opposes runaway <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/extractivism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>extractivism</span></a> by focusing on the alternative structures that could replace it."</p>
AGF : poemproducer<p><a href="https://systerserver.town/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AI</span></a> <a href="https://systerserver.town/tags/Infrastructures" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Infrastructures</span></a> and <a href="https://systerserver.town/tags/Decomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Decomputing</span></a></p><p><a href="https://danmcquillan.org/ai_infrastructures_decomputing_abstract.html" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">danmcquillan.org/ai_infrastruc</span><span class="invisible">tures_decomputing_abstract.html</span></a></p>
h o ʍ l e t t<p>→ Public policymaking: from AI to <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/decomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>decomputing</span></a> <br><a href="https://www.jrf.org.uk/ai-for-public-good/public-policymaking-from-ai-to-decomputing" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">jrf.org.uk/ai-for-public-good/</span><span class="invisible">public-policymaking-from-ai-to-decomputing</span></a></p><p>“[…] <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AI</span></a> in <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/policymaking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>policymaking</span></a> would make it more precarious and increase outsourcing and privatisation under the cover of over-hyped technology. [It's] a form of ‘shock doctrine’, where the sense of urgency generated by an allegedly world-transforming technology is used as an opportunity for corporate capture and to transform social systems in frankly authoritarian directions without reflection or democratic debate”</p>
Amin Girasol<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://kolektiva.social/@danmcquillan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>danmcquillan</span></a></span> Hi Dan - do you have any updates to this draft? <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/decomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>decomputing</span></a> <a href="https://oldbytes.space/tags/permacomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>permacomputing</span></a></p>
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