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@Jorge Candeias Bad idea. (Hubzilla user here.)

Hashtags are not only for discoverability (and critically so on Mastodon). They're also the preferred way of triggering the automatic generation of individual reader-side content warnings.

Content warnings that are automatically generated for each user individually based on keyword lists have a long tradition in the Fediverse. Friendica has had them long before Mastodon even existed, much less before Mastodon hijacked the summary field for content warnings. Hubzilla has had them since its own inception which was before Mastodon, too. (streams) has them, Forte has them.

On all four, automated reader-side content warnings are an integral part of their culture. And users of all four (those who are not recent Mastodon converts at least, i.e. those who entered the Fediverse by joining Friendica in the early 2010s) insist in automated reader-side content warnings being vastly better than Mastodon's poster-side content warnings that are forced upon everyone all the same.

Oh, and by the way, Mastodon has this feature, too. It has only introduced it in October, 2022, and since the re-definition of Mastodon's culture in mid-2022 pre-dates it, it is not part of Mastodon's culture. But Mastodon has this feature.

However, in order for these content warnings to be generated, there needs to be a trigger. The safest way is by hashtags: If you post content that not everyone may want to see, add corresponding hashtags, enough to cover as many people as possible. If you don't want to see certain content right away, add the corresponding hashtags as keywords to NSFW (Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte) or a CW-generating filter (Mastodon).

In fact, hashtags can also be used to completely filter out content that you don't want to see at all. And they can be used to trigger such filters. This should work everywhere in the Fediverse.

I myself post stuff that some people don't want to see all the time. Hence, I need a whole lot of hashtags.

Let me explain the "hashtag wall" at the bottom of this comment to you.

  • #Long, #LongPost
    This comment is over 500 characters long. Many Mastodon users don't want to see any content that exceeds 500 characters. They can filter either or both of these hashtags and at least get rid of my content with over 500 characters.
    Why two hashtags? Because I can't know beforehand which one of them people will filter. And because I can't know beforehand which of one of them people will search for or follow.
  • #CWLong, #CWLongPost
    The same as above, but making clear that it's supposed to stand in for a content warning ("CW: long (over 8,300 characters)"). Also, filtering these instead of the above has less of a chance of false positives than the above.
    Why two hashtags? Because I can't know beforehand which one of them people will filter. And because I can't know beforehand which of one of them people will search for or follow.
  • #FediMeta, #FediverseMeta
    This comment contains Fediverse meta content. Some people don't want to read anything about the Fediverse, not even as by-catch or boosted to them by someone whom they follow or even only on their federated timeline. They can filter either or both of these.
    Why two hashtags? Because I can't know beforehand which one of them people will filter. And because I can't know beforehand which of one of them people will search for or follow.
  • #CWFediMeta, #CWFediverseMeta
    The same as above, but making clear that it's supposed to stand in for a content warning ("CW: Fediverse meta" or, in this case, "CW: Fediverse meta, Fediverse-beyond-Mastodon meta").
    Why two hashtags? Because I can't know beforehand which one of them people will filter. And because I can't know beforehand which of one of them people will search for or follow.
  • #Fediverse
    This comment is about the Fediverse. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about the Fediverse find my comment.
  • #Mastodon
    This comment touches Mastodon as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about Mastodon find my comment.
  • #Friendica
    This comment touches Friendica as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic, especially if you don't know what the hell Friendica is, but you're curious. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about Friendica find my comment.
  • #Hubzilla
    This comment touches Hubzilla as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic, especially if you don't know what the hell Hubzilla is, but you're curious. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about Hubzilla find my comment.
  • #Streams, #(streams)
    This comment touches (streams) as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic, especially if you don't know what the hell the streams repository is, but you're curious. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about (streams) find my comment.
    Why two hashtags if they're the same on Mastodon? Because they are not the same on Friendica, Hubzilla (again, that's where I am), (streams) itself and Forte. If I have to choose between catering to the technologies and cultures of Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte and catering to Mastodon's, I will always choose the former.
  • #Forte
    This comment touches Forte as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic, especially if you don't know what the hell Forte is, but you're curious. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about Forte find my comment.
  • #MastodonCulture
    This comment touches Mastodon culture as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic, including critical views upon how Mastodon users try to force Mastodon's 2022 culture upon the users of Fediverse server applications that are very different from Mastodon, and that have had their own culture for much longer. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about Mastodon culture find my comment.
  • #Hashtag, #Hashtags
    This comment touches hashtags as a topic. If you don't like it, you can filter it out. Otherwise, click it or tap it to find more content on the topic. Also, the hashtag helps people looking for content about hashtags and their implications find my comment.
    Why two hashtags? Because I can't know beforehand which one of them people will filter. And because I can't know beforehand which of one of them people will search for or follow.
  • #HashtagMeta
    This comment contains hashtag meta content. Some people don't want to read anything about it, not even as by-catch or boosted to them by someone whom they follow or even only on their federated timeline. They can filter either it.
  • #CWHashtagMeta
    The same as above, but making clear that it's supposed to stand in for a content warning ("CW: hashtag meta").

By the way: Hashtags for triggering filters are even more important on Hubzilla in comments when Mastodon users may see them. That's because Hubzilla cannot add Mastodon-style content warnings to comments (= everything that replies to something else; here on Hubzilla, it's very different from a post that isn't a reply). What's a content warning on Mastodon is still (and justifiedly so) a summary on Hubzilla. But from a traditional blogging point of view (Hubzilla can very much be used for full-fledged long-form blogging with all bells and whistles), a summary for a comment doesn't make sense. Thus, the comment editors have no summary field on Hubzilla. Thus, I can't add Mastodon-style CWs to comments here on Hubzilla.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #MastodonCulture #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta
joinfediverse.wikiHubzilla - Join the Fediverse

Lo dico? Lo dico: gli hashtag legati al nome dell'istanza sono, nel migliore dei casi, la forma peggiore.

(A seguire: quelli basati sul nome di una singola piattaforma.)

L'unico caso in cui dovrebbero essere utilizzati è quando si riferiscono effettivamente a questioni specifiche che riguardano quell'istanza (o quella piattaforma).

@Michael Vogel
Was anderes aus Interesse: Wieso schickst Du bei allen Posts die gleichen Hashtags mit? Ist das eine Eigenschaft von Hubzilla oder fügst Du die Hashtags immer per Hand hinzu? (und wenn ja, wieso?)

Die schreibe ich per Hand rein.

Teilweise sind die zum leichteren Auffinden auf Mastodon. Hauptsächlich sind sie aber zum Triggern von Wortfiltern. Es gibt kaum etwas, worüber ich schreibe, was nicht irgendjemanden so stören würde, daß sie es nicht rausfiltern würden. Und Hubzilla schickt anscheinend auch meine öffentlichen Kommentare an alle meine Kontakte, also auch quer über Mastodon.

Klar könnte ich jetzt sagen, die meisten Mastodon-Nutzer würden nicht mal Filter benutzen, wenn ich ihnen eine Schritt-für-Schritt-Anleitung mit konkreten Beispielen posten würde. Aber wer auf Mastodon jetzt tatsächlich was filtert, kann ich blöderweise nicht mal aus Zustellungsberichten rauslesen.

Die ersten vier eben, #Long, #LongPost, #CWLong und #CWLongPost, baue ich immer ein, wenn ein Post oder Kommentar die 500 Zeichen überschreitet, um irgendwas zu haben, womit sich Mastodon-User meine "überlangen" Beiträge vom Hals schaffen können.

Ist eben so: Ich habe sehr viel mehr Publikum auf Mastodon als auf Friendica, Hubzilla und (streams) zusammen. Andererseits sind es gerade Nutzer aus unserer Ecke des Fediverse, die ich dabei erwischt habe, das Hauptthema meines Kanals auszufiltern.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta
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@The Nexus of Privacy I'm someone who usually follows all advice about good Fediverse behaviour to a tee. That is, as far as Hubzilla lets me, as long as it doesn't require me to abandon Hubzilla's own culture in favour of only Mastodon's culture, and as long as it doesn't require me to abandon a number of Hubzilla's key features because Mastodon doesn't have them.

Some may say I'm overdoing the Mastodon-style content warning thing, at least in posts. Hubzilla doesn't support content warning in comments, and if I reply to something, it's always a comment and never a post. Otherwise you'd get one big honking Mastodon-style content warning here. You do get a huge pile of filter-triggering hashtags, though.

Some may say I'm overdoing the image description thing. My image descriptions in alt-text are among the longest in the Fediverse, and these are my short descriptions. My long descriptions for the same images which go into the posts are the longest, most detailed, most explanatory image descriptions in the Fediverse, full stop. And I keep raising my own standards. I only have one image description which I don't consider outdated, obsolete and sub-standard yet.

So I'd normally love to fulfill everything in your post to a tee by my definition of "a tee". And my definition of "to a tee" is everyone else's definition of "Are you completely insane, man?!" But this time, it's more difficult. Call me racist, but it's more difficult.

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#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Hubzilla #CW #CWs #CWMeta #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #ContentWarningMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagmeta #Filters #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta #Racist #Racism
hub.netzgemeinde.euNetzgemeinde/Hubzilla
When you've just written a post or a comment.

When you discover it's over 500 characters.

When you start pondering how you could shorten it to appease Mastodon users.

And when you decide that it's much easier to add the #Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost filter-triggering hashtags and, if it's a post, a Mastodon-style long-post content warning in the summary.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #CharacterCount #500Characters
hub.netzgemeinde.euNetzgemeinde/Hubzilla
@Kathryn Three reasons.

One, there's one Mastodon bot that scrapes cat pictures from various sources, slaps AI-generated alt-text on them with no human interaction, churns them out hourly and adds the #AltText hashtag because they've got alt-text.

Two, #AltText should be used for discussing alt-text rather than image posts with alt-text which is why hardly any human user puts that hashtag on image posts.

Three, hardly anyone seems to discuss alt-text anymore. That, or more and more Mastodon users have fallen back into Twitter mode and stopped using hashtags altogether. And outside of Mastodon, almost nobody knows about or cares for alt-text anyway.

Thus, the bot-generated cat pictures dominate that hashtag.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta
hub.netzgemeinde.euNetzgemeinde/Hubzilla
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@Mike Fair warning ahead: This is going to be LONG.

It often occurs that I add a whole lot of hashtags to a post. I started putting them all at the end of the post unless I'm explicitly talking about a hashtag that I also need as an actual hashtag, but still.

Only about half the hashtags I use are only for discoverability. Many serve a different purpose, namely to trigger filters, including CW-generating filters.

See, on Hubzilla where I am, sensitive people have their CWs individually automatically generated. Not only does this feature pre-date Mastodon's CW filters, it pre-dates Mastodon itself by several years. So it's part of our culture.

But the best CW generator doesn't work if the posts, comments and DMs that need to be CW'd don't contain the appropriate keywords. And I add them as hashtags to reduce the risk of false positives.

And I post a lot of stuff that people don't want to read.

So I add the hashtags #Long, #LongPost, #CWLong and #CWLongPost whenever a post or a comment exceeds 500 characters (raw count, not Mastodon count) so people can at least get rid of my long posts. It's obvious that two are only for filtering and one is partially for filtering.

Whenever I write about the Fediverse, I add the hashtags #FediMeta, #FediverseMeta, #CWFediMeta and #CWFediverseMeta because some people don't want to read anything concerning the Fediverse, even less if it's about the Fediverse outside Mastodon.

When I write about hashtags, I add #Hashtag and #Hashtags for discoverability and #HashtagMeta and #CWHashtagMeta as a warning/filter trigger because I guess there are people who are fed up with reading about hashtags.

I've got plenty of other topics with accompanying filter/CW-triggering hashtags, including but not limited to alt-text/image descriptions and content warnings themselves.
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@CEO Zahnfee Corporation GmbH Vor allem, erklär den Leuten mal, daß in etwa die Hälfte deiner Hashtags dazu dient, Filter auszulösen. Ich glaube, die meisten Mastodon-Nutzer wissen gar nicht, daß Mastodon Filter hat, weil Mastodon keinen Filter-Button direkt in irgendeiner Timeline hat.

Da, wo ich herkomme, nutzt man Filter sogar für automatische CWs. Anstelle von "CWs".

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Filter #Filters
hub.netzgemeinde.euNetzgemeinde/Hubzilla
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@Deborah Makarios It's fair to mention at this point that hashtags aren't only ever used to increase visibility. They're also used to trigger the automated generation of reader-side content warnings.

Yes, they exist. Not only does Mastodon itself have that feature since version 4.0 from last year. But Mistpark had it as early as 2010, almost six years before Mastodon existed. And unlike Mastodon, it did not repurpose the summary field for content warnings.

From Mistpark emerged today's Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). All three have this feature. All three don't have Mastodon's CW field; Hubzilla and (streams) still call it "summary" while Friendica lacks it altogether. At least Hubzilla and (streams) don't provide any means of adding a Mastodon CW to replies at all.

And all three have had it in their cultures since they were launched to have CWs automatically generated individually for each reader by the "NSFW app".

I am on Hubzilla, and I will not adjust my way of using it so that it becomes indistinguishable from posts on vanilla Mastodon by someone who only knows Mastodon.

I will add 12 hashtags to this comment. The first four are to trigger filters that either remove or CW my posts and comments with over 500 characters because long posts disturb many Mastodon users. The next four are to trigger filters that either remove or CW my posts and comments about the Fediverse because many Mastodon users don't want to see that technical mumbo-jumbo.

Yes, four of each. How am I supposed to know who uses which one of these in their filters?

The next two are for discoverability purposes. The last two are for triggering filters again.

So that's two discoverability hashtags and ten filter-triggering hashtags.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta
hub.netzgemeinde.euNetzgemeinde/Hubzilla
In most of the cases, the hashtags #Mastodon and #Twitter mean, "lol idk how to mastodon n idk how to hashtag cuz ive never used them on twitter but u must use them here so ppl find yr toots."

In fact, if you're on Mastodon or anything else that allows you to follow hashtags, following these two gives you about the same amount of meaningless noise as following everyone on your federated timeline.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta
hub.netzgemeinde.euNetzgemeinde/Hubzilla