@jhx #FVWM3, with #IceWM as the backup.

@rstockm

+25 Jahre #IceWM... und nie Probleme...

Wann immer ich in der Zeit #Gnome oder #KDE getestet habe...

Außer dem KDE "Zauberwürfel" für virtuelle Desktops vermisse ich echt nichts - aber den Würfel vermisse ich dafür um so mehr... seit mind. 15 Jahren...

Ja...
IceWM macht sich nicht von alleine schick... aber wenn man da mal durch ist kann man die config ein Leben lang mit CopyPaste mitschleppen und ratzfatz die gewohnte Umgebung unter allen Distributionen wiederherstellen...

@jbz I just wish #Icewm could be ported to be a #Wayland compositor

@nixCraft I STILL run #icewm on all my Linux systems. Almost as Motif as Motif

@ann3nova i think good old boring #debian!

they got the world's best package collection, which is essentially all you need -- just pick the right packages and voila it's a lite distro.

plus they don't look at the hardware support with business value optics, which means a lot of niche hardware works.

in the evening i put the serious computer aside and use a trash picked netbook with 2g of ram because it got no fan yet is not going to set my bed on fire. using #gnome -- it's not the hog it used to be. #icewm worked very well for me and works with much less ram yet.

the package manager is very good and takes a lot less memory than my usual dnf on fedora

@itsfoss #ImageMagick screencap: #Firefox with #Sidebery for #VerticalTabs, #IceWM with #ShadesOfGrey on #Arch #GNU+#Linux
#Apps at sight: #Geany #Zathura #Viewnior #DeltaChat #Dino #Jami #LXTerminal #PCManFM #fs
https://imagemagick.org/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/
https://ice-wm.org
https://archlinux.org/
https://www.gnu.org/
https://www.geany.org/
https://pwmt.org/projects/zathura/
https://siyanpanayotov.com/project/viewnior/
https://delta.chat/en/
https://dino.im/
https://jami.net/
https://www.lxde.org/

@Exxo @kreideland

Die Konsole ist doch das einzige was wirkliche Fortschritte gemacht hat bei Windows...

Ich habe Arbeitstechnisch immer auch (täglich) #Windows benutzen/programmieren müssen - wenn man #Linux (bei mir mit #IceWM) und #MacOS auch benutzt ist Windoofs einfach auf allen Ebenen immer schlechter geworden - was genau... ist schwer zu benennen, weil es alles außer der Konsole betrifft.

Linux verbessert seine Fehler/Unzulänglichkeiten - Windows verschlimmbessert nur.

@slembcke

I mean, I totally get that if you only ever use gnome.

If you don't care to use Gnome because:

1. Poor contrast between active and inactive window titlebars is a usability nightmare that was fixed in the early 1980s and broken in the past five years for no good reason
2. Client-side decorations are another foolish kill-usability-for-shallow-aesthetics fad that needs to die
3. You want a configurable system. It's #UNIX, dagnabbit.
4. You'd prefer a more lightweight system (not as big a deal as it was 5 years ago, props to them for making it a lot more efficient)

..and so you find yourself using #KDE, or #i3wm, or #sway, or heck, #jwm, #twm, #ctwm, #cwm, #icewm, or whatever...

...and you open a Gnome app. What do you get? An application that's integrated nicely with the rest of your system? Heck no! You get an app that sticks out like a sore thumb. Honestly, everything that happens within the application window is up to the devs, and I don't begrudge whatever style you use there. But taking over the titlebar I simply will not tolerate.

Honestly, if not for the CSDs, I'd never complain about Gnome. I'd use whatever (ethical) solution works best for my workflow and go about my day. But now using gnome apps feels like it's an advertisement for a cult-like mentality. I open Gnome Web, or Gnome Disks, Gnome Boxes, or whatnot, and boom, I'm lost. Where's my titlebar color? Gone. Which window is active? No blasted idea.

Sorry for the rant, I just really can't stand that. Other than that, I could say a lot of positive things about gnome. I'm glad they're there. But the mentality is feeling more cultish/corporate all the time.