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Daniel LakelandWell today there's a big discussion on Gelmans blog of what is <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/capitalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#capitalism</a> and how does it differ from markets and there's some talk on <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/environmental" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#environmental</a> <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/economics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#economics</a> and <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a> etc... Check it out here<a href="https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2025/05/26/capitalism-as-the-antimarket/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2025/05/26/capitalism-as-the-antimarket/</a>

Mark BurtonSomeone sent me a link to an audio recording about <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> and <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Collapse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Collapse</a>. I couldn't open it because it went to a paywall called spotifie or something like that. Ironic.

DegrowthUKLimits to Growth was right about collapse."This improved parameter set results in a World3 simulation that shows the same overshoot and collapse mode in the coming decade as the original business as usual scenario of the LtG standard run."<a href="https://www.resilience.org/stories/2025-05-20/limits-to-growth-was-right-about-collapse/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.resilience.org/stories/2025-05-20/limits-to-growth-was-right-about-collapse/</a><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/Collapse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Collapse</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#degrowth</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/ToldYouSo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ToldYouSo</a>

Miss Gayle"...As the system constantly (re)produces inequality, it is very hard to correct it with policies.When growth stops, discontentment spreads; the inequality and the associated powerlessness are major components of the political backlash against globalization and its complexity."Article: <a href="https://www.resilience.org/stories/2025-05-20/complexity-energy-people-and-inequality/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.resilience.org/stories/2025-05-20/complexity-energy-people-and-inequality/</a>Poverty & Progress Essay: <a href="https://gardenearth.substack.com/p/poverty-and-progress" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://gardenearth.substack.com/p/poverty-and-progress</a>The Collapse of Complex Societies book: <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-collapse-of-complex-societies-joseph-tainter/6554178" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-collapse-of-complex-societies-joseph-tainter/6554178</a><a href="https://urbanists.social/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> <a href="https://urbanists.social/tags/DeGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeGrowth</a> <a href="https://urbanists.social/tags/Bookstodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Bookstodon</a> <a href="https://urbanists.social/tags/Economy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Economy</a> <a href="https://urbanists.social/tags/Sustainability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Sustainability</a>

Miss Gayle"As one of the Limits’ authors, Dennis Meadows, always insisted when asked, technology can delay a peak, but the crash comes harder when it comes."Kicking the can down the road doesn't get rid of the can, class. Link: <a href="https://www.resilience.org/stories/2025-05-20/limits-to-growth-was-right-about-collapse/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.resilience.org/stories/2025-05-20/limits-to-growth-was-right-about-collapse/</a><a href="https://urbanists.social/tags/Economy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Economy</a> <a href="https://urbanists.social/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> <a href="https://urbanists.social/tags/Sustainability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Sustainability</a> <a href="https://urbanists.social/tags/Technology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Technology</a>

Daniel Lakeland<a href="https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2025/05/off-the-marx-hitler-spectrum/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2025/05/off-the-marx-hitler-spectrum/</a>My German student sent me that blog article and it looks like I should get in touch with that physics professor at UCSD because he's one of the few people I've seen writing that kinda stuff outside of the fediverse at least. <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/anarchy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#anarchy</a> <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/ecology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ecology</a> <a href="https://mastodon.sdf.org/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a>

Richard W. Woodley ELBOWS UP 🇨🇦🌹🚴‍♂️📷 🗺️<a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/Degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Degrowth</a> - Revisiting <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> <a href="https://the5thc.blogspot.com/2025/01/the-tyranny-of-growth-how-raising-our.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://the5thc.blogspot.com/2025/01/the-tyranny-of-growth-how-raising-our.html</a>

Mark Burton"The issue we are facing is really a physics problem. Governments can print money, but they cannot print resources, especially energy resources." Brace for rapid changes in the economy Our Finite World <a href="https://ourfiniteworld.com/2025/04/24/brace-for-rapid-changes-in-the-economy-the-world-economy-is-reaching-limits-to-growth/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://ourfiniteworld.com/2025/04/24/brace-for-rapid-changes-in-the-economy-the-world-economy-is-reaching-limits-to-growth/</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#degrowth</a>

Bastian K.Ich bin pleite, aber lass mich tanzen auf der Schwelle zu diesem neuen Leben, das kein Geld braucht um wirklich zu sein. // I'm broke, but let me dance at the edge of this new life that doesn't need money to be real.<a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/Vibramundi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Vibramundi</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/drawing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#drawing</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/inkdrawing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#inkdrawing</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/art" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#art</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/Mastoart" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Mastoart</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/zither" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#zither</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/animal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#animal</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/fantasy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fantasy</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/fauna" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fauna</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/tavern" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#tavern</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/music" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#music</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/commons" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#commons</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/community" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#community</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/broke" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#broke</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/strugglingartist" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#strugglingartist</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/gifteconomy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gifteconomy</a> <a href="https://mastoart.social/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a>

DegrowthUKThe correct take on this is that some (clean, socially relevant) sectors of the economy must grow while others must contract, but within an overall envelope of massive, managed and socially just reduction of overall energy and material flows.Britain’s net zero economy is booming, CBI says | Green economy | The Guardian <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/feb/24/britain-net-zero-economy-booming-cbi-green-sector-jobs-energy-security" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/feb/24/britain-net-zero-economy-booming-cbi-green-sector-jobs-energy-security</a><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#degrowth</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/NetZero" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NetZero</a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/CBI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CBI</a>

Sally StrangeRevisiting "Limits To Growth" on its 50th anniversary: "Scientists have also sought to assess the validity of the Limits to Growth model by looking at how well it fits historical trends since its publication. Previous studies have explored how the various runs of the Limits to Growth model compare with actual trends and suggest that the world is most closely tracking the Double Resources scenario, which differs from the Standard Run in its assumption that the initial stock of non-renewable resources is twice as large as the Standard Run resource stock (figure 1). In this scenario, collapse occurs later and is driven not by scarcity of non-renewable resources (ie, a source limit), as in the Standard Run, but by persistent pollution and its impact on ecosystem stability (ie, a sink limit, otherwise known as a regenerative capacity limit)."<a href="https://eldritch.cafe/tags/DeGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DeGrowth</a> <a href="https://eldritch.cafe/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> <a href="https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(24)00310-3/fulltext" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(24)00310-3/fulltext</a>

Leftist LawyerYou've heard of the <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> study by the <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/ClubOfRome" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ClubOfRome</a>, right? Well, <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/TIL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TIL</a> there is an interactive viewer. Where, say, if a bunch of crazed <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/technofascists" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#technofascists</a> took power and ramped up strip mining the planet -- you could toggle the parameters to view the global impact. Pretty cool. You can find it here: <a href="http://bit-player.org/extras/limits/ltg.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">http://bit-player.org/extras/limits/ltg.html</a><a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/Climate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Climate</a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/ClimateCrisis" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ClimateCrisis</a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/Degrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Degrowth</a> <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/Environment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Environment</a>

Dale Hagglund<a href="https://mastodon.green/@gerrymcgovern" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@gerrymcgovern</a> I think you might find it interesting to check out the first video (or however many catch your interest) of this playlist on "Metastatic Modernity" by Dr Tom Murphy of UCSD.Murphy has been writing on energy, economy, modernity, and their intersection with planetary limits for quite a while at his Do The Math blog, and although that started in a pretty standard "green tech" position, as he started to look at things from a deeper, and rather darker, perspective which in 2021 he turned into an e-textbook _Energy and Human Ambition on a Finite Planet_.Anyway, sorry for dropping in from nowhere.<a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/climate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#climate</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/modernity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#modernity</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/DoTheMath" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DoTheMath</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/overshoot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#overshoot</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/sustainability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#sustainability</a> <a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvUde-N4t8XncjoHqK0GsE7a6EXMRiyjH&si=10IAmdlEF16Q2BnS" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvUde-N4t8XncjoHqK0GsE7a6EXMRiyjH&si=10IAmdlEF16Q2BnS</a>

JNSLCT‘We need dramatic social and technological changes’: is societal collapse inevitable?Academic Danilo Brozović says studies of failed civilisations all point in one direction – today’s society needs radical transformation to survive<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/dec/28/we-need-dramatic-social-and-technological-changes-is-societal-collapse-inevitable" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/dec/28/we-need-dramatic-social-and-technological-changes-is-societal-collapse-inevitable</a><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/climate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#climate</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/pollution" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#pollution</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/erosion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#erosion</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/biodiversity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#biodiversity</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/limitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitsToGrowth</a>

Syl ⏚<a href="https://spore.social/@_noelamac_" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@_noelamac_</a> "the risk that the world ultimately cannot stick to a path that rapidly phases out fossil fuels and avoids the worst climate outcomes. "quite optimistic huh... did they take into consideration resources like copper to do so ? Even if there's not enough to mine, you need fresh water to extract copper.And if there isn't enough doom-loops, we should also add geo-engineering for some funky unpredictable outcomes.<a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/Meadows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Meadows</a> <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/Collapse2040" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Collapse2040</a>

Syl ⏚<a href="https://jorts.horse/@ecosurrealism" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ecosurrealism</a> degrowth only isn't enough, we have to kill capitalism.<a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/meadows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#meadows</a> <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a>

Steve Easterbrook<a href="https://fediscience.org/@gepasi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@gepasi</a> I have an implementation of the <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> World3 model, written in Stella, which Jorgen Randers shared with one of our grad students a few years back when we were looking at reimplementing it. I've never run it or even looked at the code, but happy to share it if you're interested.

Ed DaviesReally wanted to listen to this <a href="https://functional.cafe/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> podcast <a href="https://fediscience.org/@steve/113626131492227006" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://fediscience.org/@steve/113626131492227006</a> but really can't cope with the loud music played over the speech. Gave up after a few minutes. This is not the first podcast or documentary video I've given up on for this reason. Not all of us have perfect hearing or audio processing!

Steve EasterbrookAlso, finally managed to listen to Katy Shield's excellent 3-part podcast on <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/LimitsToGrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#LimitsToGrowth</a> this weekend (I'm totally not a podcast person!). This is a must listen for anyone working on climate & environment. The head-in-the-sand denialism that followed the original Limits to Growth study in the 1970s is still everywhere today. <a href="https://tippingpoint-podcast.com" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://tippingpoint-podcast.com</a>

Lyle Solla-Yates<a href="https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2024/10/18/limiting-housing-is-actually-causing-all-that-traffic" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2024/10/18/limiting-housing-is-actually-causing-all-that-traffic</a> “It is clear that many of the people who work in Santa Barbara are priced out of the local housing market … I would say that growth control in Santa Barbara has had mixed results … [it’s] contributed, in part, to higher housing costs” <a href="https://cville.online/tags/santabarbara" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#santabarbara</a> <a href="https://cville.online/tags/zoning" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#zoning</a> <a href="https://cville.online/tags/sprawl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#sprawl</a> <a href="https://cville.online/tags/housing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#housing</a> <a href="https://cville.online/tags/shortage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#shortage</a> <a href="https://cville.online/tags/inflation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#inflation</a> <a href="https://cville.online/tags/limitstogrowth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#limitstogrowth</a>

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