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Overshoot: How the World Surrendered to Climate Breakdown

A must-read book: "Overshoot: How the World Surrendered to Climate Breakdown" by Andreas Malm and Wim Carton. Why are we accepting to exceed climate thresholds? The authors expose the economic interests, technological illusions, and systemic barriers driving global inaction, and call for radical climate action. #climatecrisis #Overshoot #AndreasMalm #WimCarton #ClimateAction "Overshoot: How the World…

homohortus31.wordpress.com/202

Homo Hortus · Overshoot: How the World Surrendered to Climate BreakdownA must-read book: « Overshoot: How the World Surrendered to Climate Breakdown » by Andreas Malm and Wim Carton. Why are we accepting to exceed climate thresholds? The authors …
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From "Recalibration of limits to growth: An update of the #World3 model"

by Arjuna Nebel, Alexander Kling, Ruben Willamowski, Tim Schell

First published: 13 November 2023

4.3 Future trends

"So far, the results have mainly been considered in comparison with the empirical data for the recalibration. However, the course of the variables is also interesting in terms of future trends. Here, the model results clearly indicate the imminent end of the exponential growth curve. The excessive consumption of resources by industry and industrial agriculture to feed a growing world population is depleting reserves to the point where the system is no longer sustainable. Pollution lags behind industrial growth and does not peak until the end of the century. Peaks are followed by sharp declines in several characteristics.

"This interconnected collapse, or, as it has been called by Heinberg and Miller (2023), #polycrisis, occurring between 2024 and 2030 is caused by resource depletion, not pollution. The increase in environmental pollution occurs later and with a lower peak (Figure 3).

"However, it is important to note that the connections in the model and the recalibration are only valid for the rising edge, as many of the variables and equations represented in the model are not physical but socio-economic. It is to be expected that the complex socio-economic relationships will be rearranged and reconnected in the event of a collapse. World3 holds the relationships between variables constant. Therefore it is not useful to draw further conclusions from the trajectory after the tipping points. Rather, it is important to recognize that there are large uncertainties about the trajectory from then on, building models for this could be a whole new field of research.

"The fact is that the recalibrated model again shows the possibility of a collapse of our current system. At the same time, the BAU scenario of the 1972 model is shown to be alarmingly consistent with the most recently collected empirical data.

"#Herrington (2021) also concluded in her data comparison that the world is far from a stabilized world scenario where the #overshoot and #collapse mode is brought to a halt. As a society, we have to admit that despite 50 years of knowledge about the dynamics of the collapse of our life support systems, we have failed to initiate a systematic change to prevent this collapse. It is becoming increasingly clear that, despite #technological advances, the change needed to put us on a different trajectory will also require a change in #BeliefSystems, #mindsets, and the way we organize our society (Irwin, 2015; Wamsler & Brink, 2018). [SW model]

"At the point of collapse, the resolution of the model also reaches the limit of further plausible statements. The regional differences in demographic and economic terms are too great to be reduced to simple, highly aggregated variables. To address this problem, a new system dynamics model has been developed on the occasion of #LtG's 50th anniversary which is called Earth for all (Sandrine Dixson-Decleve et al., 2022). It introduces a regional resolution and a measure of social inequality and tension. There is also a greater focus on the causes and effects of the #ClimateCrisis. In #Earth4all, the authors no longer focus on scenarios with sharp declines in the main variables. Instead, the scenario Too little too late describes that the effects of the climate crisis will continue to increase and social tensions will rise, causing the well-being index to decline over time. In another scenario, #GiantLeap, it is shown that these negative developments could also be stopped. The authors then propose various policy changes to achieve this (Sandrine Dixson-Decleve et al., 2022). "

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/fu

#Capitalism #CorporateColonialism
#Warning #Extinction #ClimateCrisis #EnvironmentalCollapse
#Resources #Ecocide #Technology #SocietalChange #Collapse #SolarPunk #SocietalChange #Degrowth #MindsetChange

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Man stelle sich nur vor, wie dann mit Sicherheit einige Länder weiterhin fossiles Zeug verbrennen (und sei es nur weiterhin in einer Übergangszeit) und so einen Großteil des Effektes von #Overshoot #CCS-Projekten, für die andere Staaten viel Geld ausgeben, konterkarieren.

Wie sollten Politiker dann die Finanzierung solcher CO2-Entnahme-Projekte, die eben KEINEN direkten wirtschaftlichen Nutzen haben, sondern einfach nur Kosten verursachen, vor ihren Wählern rechtfertigen?

The Omnivore's Deception | John Sanbonmatsu

youtube.com/watch?v=pZq5KknPrN8

"The meat industry and its defenders promise ethical consumption and sustainable farming, but animal agriculture fuels ecological destruction, entrenches human supremacy, and masks cruelty with comforting myths. John Sanbonmatsu, philosopher and author of The Omnivore’s Deception, shatters the myths of “humane meat” and the 'naturalness' of eating meat, and explains why abolishing the animal economy is essential to living an ethical human life. "

Vi vill att #Malmö ska förbjuda #fossil #reklam.

Förra veckan beslöt Delft i Nederländerna att gå med i en växande grupp städer som förbjuder fossil reklam i sina utomhusmiljöer. I #Sverige finns liknande beslut där man i Stockholm och Göteborg har förbjudit fossil reklam i kollektivtrafiken.

För dig som bor i Malmö kan du skriva under det här medborgarinitiativet om du tycker som oss. Efter 100 röster måste det diskuteras av en av stadens nämnder.

malmo.flexite.com/malmo_fp/lis

Vi kommer att finnas på plats denna torsdag under #Overshoot festivalen för er som vill diskutera vidare, komma med fler idéer om hur vi kan förbättra Malmö, eller undrar vilka som är fördelarna med en fossilfri stadsmiljö. Klockan 12-19 i Folkets Park.

malmo.flexite.comMalmö stad Malmöinitiativet - Förslagsbeskrivning

Did you know that #Malmö #Overshoot #Festival is happening next week? We'll also be there! Swing by and chat with us about #degrowth and how we can move past endless economic growth to build a more sustainable and equitable world.

📅 Thursday, May 29th
🕛 12:00 - 19:00 + after party
📍 Folkets Park, Malmö

Here's the full program:
overshootfestivalen.se/program

Together we can envision and build a future rooted in #socialjustice, #solidarity and #sustainability!

See you there! 🍃

Reading the chapter on 'asset stranding' in Malm & Carton's book #Overshoot and the rather dry description they give of the cascade of economic dominoes that fall if we implemented (even a fraction, a beginning, a part of) mitigation is truly apocalyptic. It really hammers home the enormous interests that are (literally) invested in maintaining business as usual.
There is no government on earth that will willingly implement mitigation out of their own free will. They will need to be forced in some way.
#ClimateDiary

#Overshoot is de levensverzekering van business as usual. Het is de dominante overtuiging dat het economisch schadelijk is om fossiele brandstoffen te beperken en uit te faseren, dat het ondoenbaar is fossiele productie af te bouwen, maar dat we een technologische oplossing zullen uitwerken die ons zal behoeden voor de totale catastrofe.”

@tine sprak met Andreas Malm.

apache.be/2025/05/08/historicu

apache.be · Historicus en klimaatactivist Andreas Malm: “Mijn pessimisme is geen reden om afzijdig te blijven”“Om onder 1,5 graad opwarming te blijven, is de afbraak van de fossiele industrie onvermijdelijk.”
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@cstross I actually hope so. We (all humans on this planet who live in modern societies) are deep in ecological #overshoot and can't just go on like this. The global economy is more than double the size a hypothetical sustainable economy could reach, we won't ever become sustainable unless the economy shrinks dramatically, which of course would mean the collapse of Capitalism. If Trump manages to speed up the inevitable #collapse of the world economy, we might slow down the ecological collapse for a while (but only if we can get rid of the oligarchs very quickly afterwards).
There is no way to avoid chaos and collapse now, but how and when certain systems collapse makes a huge difference for the future evolution of organic life on Earth, and whether the genus Homo is still a part of the biosphere for a few more millions of years or not.

Techno-solutionnisme et « overshoot » : l’illusion mortifère de la mégamachine climatique

🌍🚨 Le « dépassement climatique » : un pari techno-solutionniste suicidaire ? Face à l’inaction politique, l’idée d’un « overshoot » (dépassement temporaire des 1,5°C) gagne du terrain. Mais compter sur des technologies non éprouvées pour refroidir la Terre plus tard relève d’une logique de mégamachine ... #Climat #TechnoSolutionnisme #Effondrement #Overshoot #geoingenierie

homohortus31.wordpress.com/202

Homo Hortus · Techno-solutionnisme et « overshoot » : l’illusion mortifère de la mégamachine climatique🌍🚨 Le « dépassement climatique » : un pari techno-solutionniste suicidaire ? Face à l’inaction politique, l’idée d’un « overshoot » (dépassement temporaire des 1,5°C) gagne du terrain. Mais compter…

#ClimateCrisis #earth #humanity #societalcollapse #article

"#Overshoot: Why It’s Already Too Late To Save #Civilization"

I also quote a paragraph that brings some hope (from another article of the same author).

"That’s why I always emphasize that even though it’s too late to save civilization, it’s not too late to save as much of the natural world as possible. Every 1/10th of a degree of warming that we prevent will save millions of lives and countless species."

medium.com/@CollapseSurvival/o

Medium · Overshoot: Why It’s Already Too Late To Save CivilizationBy Alan Urban

I think that whatever happens, we absolutely must keep a healthy biodiverse population of horses alive if we can. When civilisation eventually collapses, we will need riders to stich the remaining civilised islands back together. We humans are just a bunch of very smart monkeys, upright walking grassland apes with big mutant brains that need a lot of fat and protein, but once we ride horses, we can have a very well organised society while staying mobile until we run out of grasslands. Savannah, steppe, prairie, pampa, whatever the local type of grassland ecosystem is called, once humans have horses, we can always live rather good lives there because we evolved for it, and so did the horses.
The grasslands will be different in the future because they will shift by thousands of kilometres if all this climate mayhem continues as projected (and in order for it to continue, all we have to do is not to change anything we're doing), with new species of plants and animals evolving from whatever survives there, but as long as there is a lot of grass, horses will thrive there, and so will nomadic tribes.
Whether people can still use horses to replace broken machines that cannot be repaired will have a significant influence on the probability of survival. We (well, those few of us who survive, not me; I won't live to see the end of it, I'm almost 50) might have to party like it's 1699, but it's better than partying like it's 5,000BC, and even that is better than partying like it's 50,000,000BC when there were those cute little mini horses, and that was because all the large mammals had died out because the planet was too fucking hot for them.
Just look at how populations of non-human, non-pet and non-livestock vertebrates are plummeting right now. Some species are thriving, mostly small omnivores like mice or pigeons, but all the other vertebrates are vanishing because we're destroying their habitats to grow crops or build big concrete boxes that suck up a lot of energy and raw materials and spew out heat and rubbish. Keeping both humans and horses alive during such a collapse will be hard, but if we lose horses, we will probably fall all the way down to a Palæolithic way of life with no chance of ever getting out of it again.
People keep talking about the climate as if it were the only thing that is killing us, while the biodiversity collapse is actually the thing which is doing us in right now. If we put enough greenhouse gases into the atmosphere to tip the Earth into a global Hothouse Age like back in the days of the tiny horses that were the ancestors of all horses, donkeys, zebras, and the tiny lemurs that would over millions of years evolve into monkeys, into apes, and into us, well, that will definitely be the end of us and of 95% of all other species of plants, fungi, animals, whatever, most complex multicellular organisms will be having a bad time, but waterbears or moss piglets or whatever you like to call them, tardigrades, they will barely notice that there's another mass extinction. But the biosphere will heal, our good old Earth will be fine again in five million years, maybe ten if it's really bad. New species will evolve from the survivors.
If Homo sapiens, the last surviving species of the genus Homo, doesn't go extinct, there will be future hominids, and maybe some distant descendant a couple of million years in the future starts another Industrial Revolution and ruins everything again. Nope, not going to happen, all the fossil fuels are gone. Ha-ha! No, any postindustrial civilisation for a very, very long time will be able to start another Industrial Age. Once that's gone, it's gone. We might be able to preserve a lot of the theoretical knowledge, but we won't have the mass production. If it can't be done in a village workshop, it can't be done at all. I think the Amish are a rather weird bunch, but at least they understand that reliance on complex technology beyond what can be made and repaired locally makes you vulnerable. And horses need neither oil nor electricity.
#πολυκρίσης #polykrisis #polycrisis #overshoot #collapse #SixthExtinction #ClimateChaos

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Hm. nature.com/articles/s41467-021
"Timescales of the permafrost carbon cycle and legacy effects of temperature overshoot scenarios" by deVrese and Brovkin 2021

They took one of the plant-soil models and looked in an overshoot scenario what the temperature rise and artificial sudden removal of atmospheric CO2 does to the soil and carbon store in the #Arctic.

The end result after adaption to new stabilisation level is: carbon store is only 40GtC lower than before the overshoot, ie a mere 4 years worth of current global fossil CO2 emissions.
This surprisingly (to me) low end result of -40GtC is due to increased plant growth from the temperature increase over pre-industrial, from the prolonged growth seasons, and a special Arctic circumstance of high Nitrogen availability that ensures nutrients for excessive plant growth.

But the "end result" comprises the whole adjustment period to a stabilised °C after the overshoot. Adjustment takes 1000 yrs in the model.
And in the interim periods, emissions from thawing permafrost do reach 1 to 1.5GtC each year, and for decades! The duration for this soil-atmosphere carbon flux depends on the level and duration of the temperature overshoot.
Of course, it also increases the #CO2 amount to be artificially removed to undo an #overshoot.

In the context of #RCPcollapse :
the toot above showed how natural CO2 removal after civilisation collapse leads to temperature reduction of more than 0.5°C within 30 years .
Now, while permafrost thaw is irreversible on human time scales, it won't continue in RCPcollapse. (Because Arctic permafrost has no general technical tipping point after which self-perpetuating or self-reinforcing processes would kick in. Such processes only exist in small areas, locally, with local-only tipping behaviour. See "Global Tipping Points Report" 2023, chapter on #cryosphere nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/5365)
In RCPcollapse, the adjustment to the new equilibrium will take 1000 years – but there won't be a palpable increase in °C from the thaw.

NatureTimescales of the permafrost carbon cycle and legacy effects of temperature overshoot scenarios - Nature CommunicationsIn this study, the authors investigate a scenario where global temperature increase is limited to 1.5 °C. They find that Arctic ecosystems will need centuries to adapt to such an increase and that the ensuing steady-state depends on the preceding climate trajectory.