@wschenk wrote: "my question was specifically if you were the Israeli leadership the day of the attack that just killed a bunch of your citizens. Your step 5 is nonsensical in that context - the leadership on both sides is what it is, and my question is what would you do given that the actual situation as it occurred had happened and you had to choose a course of action."
Nonsensical is what Israel and their fans continue to do: claim that history started on Oct. 7.
If I'm not mistaken, the bible mentions someting about "turning the other cheek" but I can imagine why that was not an option.
However, the bible also reads something like "an eye for an eye". I'm not sure whether a similar number of Palestinian casualties was reached on October 7, or some days later.
Meanwhile the Israely government has had plenty of time to *think* about what their goals are and how they try to reach them. Continuing their ethnic cleansing is thoroughly *planned*, which makes it worse than what Hamas did: the outcome of what their members did on Oct. 7 was not planned.
In the eyes of many Palestinians, the 7 Oct. attack is one in a row of *defensive* actions. Isreal is stealing their land (also on the Westbank) and severely discriminating them.
One can state that killing approx. 1150 and taking hostage another 200 (?) people on the Israeli side is too extreme to be called a "defensive action".
However, then what has killing of more than 36,000 Palestinians to do with a "defensive action"? Why is the IDF not called the IOF?
Eventually, the "IDF" may be able to kill all *current* members of Hamas or torture them to near (or actual) death in prisons without a trial, but:
• That's not justice. A *fair* trial is.
• Hamas is a *symptom*, not the problem. Most members of Hamas are people like the Ukrainians (and possibly like you and me in case *we* were attacked) who are trying to defend their land, possessions, relatives, wives and children. Some are barbaric idiots - like you can find in any population. Killing every current member of Hamas will *not* stop the violence - on the contrary.
• The "collateral damage" in Gaza (human lives and infrastructure) is unimaginable.
• Blowing up abandoned houses, bombing and shooting women, children and aid workers, cutting off supplies of clean water, food, fuel, medical aids, has nothing to do with defeating Hamas. That's why it's called genocide.
Violence, extreme types in particular, sooner or later will return to the committer like a boomerang.
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