R. L. Dane :Debian:<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://alpha.polymaths.social/@sotolf" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>sotolf</span></a></span></p><blockquote><p>> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://alpha.polymaths.social/@rl_dane" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>rl_dane</span></a></span> I have tried dealing with suckless software and patches, and the more patches you bring into st the more wacked out it becomes, it starts having weird issues, some of the patches don't gel well with each other, and hand merging them are not that much fun.</p></blockquote><p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@thelinuxcast" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>thelinuxcast</span></a></span> recently compared Gnome (needing extensions to be usable) to suckless' tools (needing patches to be usable), and now I see how that can go both ways (positive and negative). One time 5 years ago when I was trying to get along with Gnome, I had two conflicting extensions that filled up /var (which was /, derp) within minutes with log messages. <em>sigh</em>. As an old friend would say rather dismissively in these situations, "NEXT VICTIM!"</p><blockquote><p>> Xorg is great, it still works, and you can pry it out of my cold dead hands, I don't see the value of wayland, sure it does things differently, but in my experience, even after well over a decade of work on it, it still doesn't really work well, it makes things harder for no good reason just "security" well if someone gets so into my box that they can execute code on it I'm screwed no matter what I have on there, I just don't really get it.<br>><br>> Maybe some day it will catch up, but today, no today is not that day :p</p></blockquote><p>I have recently re-tooled EVERYTHING to <a href="https://alpha.polymaths.social/tags/wayland" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Wayland</span></a>: <a href="https://alpha.polymaths.social/tags/i3wm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>i3wm</span></a> -> <a href="https://alpha.polymaths.social/tags/sway" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>sway</span></a>, and <a href="https://alpha.polymaths.social/tags/kde" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KDE</span></a> <a href="https://alpha.polymaths.social/tags/plasma" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Plasma</span></a> 5.27 to Wayland(-mode), even though it's a touch buggy, and there are things I rely on like Xbanish that just have no replacement in Plasma+Sway. My only XOrg box now is my <a href="https://alpha.polymaths.social/tags/openbsd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpenBSD</span></a> box (now running i3, formerly <a href="https://alpha.polymaths.social/tags/cwm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>cwm</span></a>).</p><p>Other than the issue of screen tearing when watching videos, and some purely theoretical performance improvements, I'm no better for being 99% Wayland now. Sway is great, and does absolutely everything I need (even though it's very slow to reload compared to i3wm for some reason), but that's only because the Sway community has done a lot of hard work to re-implement everything that the i3 community needed/wanted (or provide hacks/scripts to do the same). KDE+Wayland is not nearly as nice an experience.</p><p>So... uhh.. Wayland is THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE, but just as we have been suspecting for the past decade, the future kinda <em>sucks</em>. :P</p>