Jupiter Rowland@<a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/users/strypey" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Strypey</a> Hubzilla <em>does</em> federate with Mastodon. In case you haven't noticed, but I'm writing to you from Hubzilla. It just requires ActivityPub to be activated both on a hub level (it is by default) and on a channel level (it is not by default). So what I meant was that Hubzilla does not have the Mastodon client API implemented, and so you can't use Hubzilla with a Mastodon phone app.<br><br>But seriously, for one, Hubzilla is structurally so far away from Mastodon that this couldn't work anyway, I guess. I don't think the Mastodon client API could be bent in such a way that it works with an architecture that has multiple channels, multiple identities on the same login, not to mention that the Mastodon client API probably couldn't handle nomadic identity with its side-effects. Even if the Mastodon client API could, Mastodon apps couldn't because almost all of them are geared towards Mastodon and only Mastodon.<br><br>Which leads me to the second point: Even if you could connect Hubzilla to a Mastodon phone app, you couldn't even use 5% of Hubzilla's features because almost all Mastodon phone apps only cover Mastodon's features, and I guess that some of those apps which already existed in 2022 still only cover Mastodon 3's features.<br><br>This is far from "better than nothing". Apart from people who have only just switched from Mastodon to Hubzilla still with Twitter on the brain, nobody on Hubzilla would refer to such massive limitations as "better than nothing". Besides, not being able to use an app is not "nothing". Hubzilla is one of the few Fediverse server applications that can be installed as a Progressive Web App. And if that doesn't work, you can use it in a browser. In other words, there's always the Web UI.<br><br>Just about all Hubzilla veterans would vastly prefer the Web UI over not being able to use text formatting (not possible on Mastodon), not being able to embed images in a post (not possible on Mastodon), not being able to add alt-text to images (works vastly different on Mastodon), not being able to add titles to posts (not possible on Mastodon) and not even being able to select a channel on their account that isn't the default (Mastodon doesn't have channels either). And that's only the tip of the iceberg.<br><br>One of the reasons why there isn't a Hubzilla phone app with a fully native mobile UI is because this UI would have to be <em>absolutely massive</em>. The app would end up more complex than FairEmail. A good app should offer all the same features as the Web UI. But Hubzilla itself is fully geared towards the desktop, feature-wise, handling-wise and in its philosophy. Don't forget that Hubzilla was not made as a Twitter replacement.<br><br>Lastly, neither @<a class="" href="https://hub.somaton.com/channel/mario" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mario Vavti</a> nor @<a class="" href="https://hub.volse.no/channel/harald" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Harald Eilertsen</a> is willing to add more proprietary, non-standard, Mastodon-exclusive technology to Hubzilla than absolutely necessary, if at all. And a client API that's made for something completely and utterly different from Hubzilla and that won't even work properly with Hubzilla is far from "absolutely necessary". Hubzilla rather indulges in independence from Mastodon.<br><br>#<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Long" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Long</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=LongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">LongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLong" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLong</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWLongPost" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWLongPost</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=FediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">FediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=CWFediverseMeta" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">CWFediverseMeta</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Mastodon" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Mastodon</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonAPI" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">MastodonAPI</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=MastodonApps" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">MastodonApps</a> #<a class="" href="https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hubzilla" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Hubzilla</a>