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Frodo Podschwadek<p>What recommended moral philosophy literature is out there regarding proportionality from an ethical perspective? I am familiar with discussions in just war theory (e.g. McMahan, Lee, Shue); what interesting stuff is there beyond this?</p><p><a href="https://scholar.social/tags/philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>philosophy</span></a> <a href="https://scholar.social/tags/proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionality</span></a> <a href="https://scholar.social/tags/ethics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ethics</span></a></p>
Joanna Bryson, blathering<p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionality</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/proportionalitat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionalitat</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gaza" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gaza</span></a></p><p>Omer Bartov, a former soldier in the Israel Defense Forces and historian of genocide, wrote that by May 2024 “it was no longer possible to deny that Israel was engaged in systematic war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocidal actions”.</p><p>Palestinians displaced in Gaza: 1.9 million (90% of the population)</p><p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/15/the-devastating-impact-of-15-months-of-war-on-gaza?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">theguardian.com/world/2025/jan</span><span class="invisible">/15/the-devastating-impact-of-15-months-of-war-on-gaza?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other</span></a></p>
Joanna Bryson, blathering<p>DW has quite a picture for this story. German mainstream discourse has certainly moved in 16 months. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionality</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/proportionalitat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionalitat</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/gaza" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gaza</span></a></p>
Bytes Europe<p>Transboundary Environmental Protection in Armed Conflict <a href="https://www.byteseu.com/565779/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">byteseu.com/565779/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/ApI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ApI</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/ArmedConflict" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ArmedConflict</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/ChristianTshiamalaBanungana" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ChristianTshiamalaBanungana</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/CollateralDamage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CollateralDamage</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/distinction" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>distinction</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/DueDiligence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DueDiligence</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/environment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>environment</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/EnvironmentalDamage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EnvironmentalDamage</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/EnvironmentalHarm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EnvironmentalHarm</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/IvonMingashang" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IvonMingashang</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/Kuwait" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Kuwait</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/MartensClause" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MartensClause</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/MilitaryNecessity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MilitaryNecessity</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/NoHarm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NoHarm</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/precaution" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>precaution</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionality</span></a> <a href="https://pubeurope.com/tags/TransboundaryHarm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TransboundaryHarm</span></a></p>
Joseph Lim :mastodon:<p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/PeterSinger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PeterSinger</span></a><br>"climate protesters blocking 1000's of people fr driving their kids to school or going to work is more ethically worrisome than disrupting e routine of those w power to reduce <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/greenhousegas" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>greenhousegas</span></a> emissions.. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/politicians" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>politicians</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/bureaucrats" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bureaucrats</span></a> in their official capacity .. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Unethical" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Unethical</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/activism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>activism</span></a>, even when nonviolent, can easily spur counter-protests tt spiral to violence. The principle of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionality</span></a> can serve as a useful guide to factors tt protesters shld consider"<br><a href="https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/2859761/protesting-ethically-for-the-planet" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinio</span><span class="invisible">n/2859761/protesting-ethically-for-the-planet</span></a></p>
earthling<p>What is clear is that as Israel decimates Gaza and kills tens of thousands of people, it is also attempting to recreate the norms of war-making and significantly transform interpretations of the laws of armed conflict.</p><p>If Netanyahu and his government succeed in rendering Israel’s version of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionality</span></a> acceptable among other state actors, then the laws of armed conflict will end up justifying rather than preventing <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/genocidal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>genocidal</span></a> violence. </p><p><a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/7/15/israel-seeks-to-rewrite-the-laws-of-war" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/7/</span><span class="invisible">15/israel-seeks-to-rewrite-the-laws-of-war</span></a></p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/palestine" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>palestine</span></a></span> <br><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Israel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Israel</span></a> <br><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/war" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>war</span></a></p>
earthling<p>“If you do something for long enough, the world will accept it. The whole of international law is now based on the notion that an act that is forbidden today becomes permissible if executed by enough countries.”</p><p>Colonel Daniel Reisner</p><p>In other words, the way we calculate <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionality</span></a> is not determined by some a priori moral edict but rather the norms and customs created by militaries as they adopt new and most often more lethal forms of war-making. </p><p><a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/7/15/israel-seeks-to-rewrite-the-laws-of-war" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/7/</span><span class="invisible">15/israel-seeks-to-rewrite-the-laws-of-war</span></a></p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/palestine" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>palestine</span></a></span></p>
Cbridge_Chief<p>Hey <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/DataProtection" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DataProtection</span></a> friends.. can you spot the mistake in the HSE’s guidance on the SAR process?</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Necessity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Necessity</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Proportionality</span></a></p>
Eric Maugendre<p>… "This choice implies a ‘transfer of risks’ to non-Western civilians (Shaw 2006)."</p><p>in Mathias Delori (2019): <a href="https://www.mathiasdelori.com/publications/humanitarian-violence-how-french-airmen-kill-or-let-die-in-order-to-make-live/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">mathiasdelori.com/publications</span><span class="invisible">/humanitarian-violence-how-french-airmen-kill-or-let-die-in-order-to-make-live/</span></a> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/ethics" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ethics</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/military" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>military</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/armee" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>armee</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://social.coop/tags/proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionality</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/killing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>killing</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/morality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>morality</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/warfare" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>warfare</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/wars" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>wars</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/war" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>war</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/tech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tech</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/rules" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>rules</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/ethics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ethics</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/casualties" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>casualties</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/collateralDamage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>collateralDamage</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/warCrimes" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>warCrimes</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/airStrikes" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>airStrikes</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/bombing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bombing</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/weapons" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>weapons</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/arms" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>arms</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/counterTerrorism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>counterTerrorism</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/FrenchArmy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FrenchArmy</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/army" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>army</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/productivity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>productivity</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/bias" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bias</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/civilians" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>civilians</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/grievability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>grievability</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/violence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>violence</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/anthropology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>anthropology</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/techCulture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>techCulture</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/engineering" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>engineering</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/Afghanistan" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Afghanistan</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/Libya" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Libya</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/Mali" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mali</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/France" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>France</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/NCCV" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NCCV</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/NCV" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NCV</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/ROE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ROE</span></a></p>
Eric Maugendre<p>"The Principle of <a href="https://social.coop/tags/Proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Proportionality</span></a>, codified in Protocol I Additional to the <a href="https://social.coop/tags/Geneva" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Geneva</span></a> Conventions, defines as disproportionate any attack in which the incidental damage to civilians is excessive in relation to the military advantage anticipated from the attack. However, it is close to impossible to pinpoint exactly what is meant by “excessive”. This writer posits that this vagueness is not a coincidence, but rather a tool, serving the purposes of attacking states."</p><p><a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=908369" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf</span><span class="invisible">m?abstract_id=908369</span></a></p><p><a href="https://social.coop/tags/IHL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>IHL</span></a></p>
Jason Yip<p>What is the rule of <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionality</span></a>, and is it being observed in the <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Israeli" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Israeli</span></a> siege of <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/Gaza" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Gaza</span></a>?</p><p><a href="https://theconversation.com/what-is-the-rule-of-proportionality-and-is-it-being-observed-in-the-israeli-siege-of-gaza-217321" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">theconversation.com/what-is-th</span><span class="invisible">e-rule-of-proportionality-and-is-it-being-observed-in-the-israeli-siege-of-gaza-217321</span></a></p>
Rich Stein (he/him)<p>On October 24, members of the House of Lords 🇬🇧 debated the situation in <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Israel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Israel</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Gaza" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Gaza</span></a>. Lord Guglielmo Verdirame * KC, Professor of International Law at King's College, Dickson Poon School of Law (with an additional appointment in the Department of War Studies), spoke about the concept of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionality</span></a> ("in the law on self-defence") / proportional response. <a href="https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/asking-a-state-that-is-acting-in-self-defence-to-agree-to-a-ceasefire-is-asking-that-state-to-stop-defending-itself/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">jewishnews.co.uk/asking-a-stat</span><span class="invisible">e-that-is-acting-in-self-defence-to-agree-to-a-ceasefire-is-asking-that-state-to-stop-defending-itself/</span></a></p><p>The entire debate is here (watch/read/listen): <a href="https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2023/october-2023/lords-debates-situation-in-israel-gaza/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">parliament.uk/business/news/20</span><span class="invisible">23/october-2023/lords-debates-situation-in-israel-gaza/</span></a></p><p>* biography: <a href="https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/professor-guglielmo-verdirame" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">kcl.ac.uk/people/professor-gug</span><span class="invisible">lielmo-verdirame</span></a></p>
Kathy Reid<p>Excellent piece from Jake Blight, the incoming Australian Independent National <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Security" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Security</span></a> Monitor, and a colleague at <a href="https://aus.social/tags/ANU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ANU</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Cybernetics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Cybernetics</span></a>, about the need to incorporate <a href="https://aus.social/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a> and <a href="https://aus.social/tags/proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>proportionality</span></a> into <a href="https://aus.social/tags/ASIO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ASIO</span></a> interception of <a href="https://aus.social/tags/telecommunications" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>telecommunications</span></a> <a href="https://aus.social/tags/legislation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>legislation</span></a>: </p><p><a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1037969X231205769" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.11</span><span class="invisible">77/1037969X231205769</span></a></p>
Cbridge_Chief<p>There’s me quoted in <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.ie/@IrishExaminer" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>IrishExaminer</span></a></span> talking about <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Necessity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Necessity</span></a> and <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/Proportionality" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Proportionality</span></a> when it comes to digital payslips and <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/PSC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PSC</span></a> <a href="https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41130742.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41</span><span class="invisible">130742.html</span></a></p>