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Ted Johnson<p>As a lifelong user of em dashes and en dashes, I can never forgive ChatGPT for the cloud of suspicion it has hung over me... </p><p>I hesitate to use them — and it breaks my heart. </p><p><a href="https://xkcd.com/3126/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">xkcd.com/3126/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><a href="https://mas.to/tags/xkcd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>xkcd</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/ChatGPT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ChatGPT</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>punctuation</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/HalfHeartedFanatic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>HalfHeartedFanatic</span></a></p>
Flipboard Culture Desk<p>Scurrilous rumors are circulating that use of a closed-up em dash is evidence that writing is AI generated. But what does the em dash think of this? McSweeney's imagines the conversation. </p><p>"You think I showed up with ChatGPT? Mary Shelley used me… gratuitously. Dickinson? Obsessed. David Foster Wallace built a temple of footnotes in my name. I am not some sleek, futuristic glyph. I am the battered, coffee-stained backbone of writerly panic—the gasping pause where a thought should have ended but simply could not."</p><p><a href="https://flip.it/jUYqLa" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">flip.it/jUYqLa</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><a href="https://flipboard.social/tags/Writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Writing</span></a> <a href="https://flipboard.social/tags/AmWriting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AmWriting</span></a> <a href="https://flipboard.social/tags/Culture" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Culture</span></a> <a href="https://flipboard.social/tags/Punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Punctuation</span></a> <a href="https://flipboard.social/tags/EmDash" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>EmDash</span></a> <a href="https://flipboard.social/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AI</span></a> <a href="https://flipboard.social/tags/ChatGPT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ChatGPT</span></a></p>
Skip Scherer - Author<p>Hi, my name is Skip—and I like Oxford commas, em dashes, and the occasional interrobang.</p><p>Thanks for joining me.</p><p>💙📚 💙 🪐📚 <br><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/WritingCommunity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WritingCommunity</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>punctuation</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/booksky" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>booksky</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/book" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>book</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/books" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>books</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/read" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>read</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/reading" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>reading</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>writing</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/author" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>author</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/indie" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>indie</span></a></p>
David Megginson<p>If you see something written with en-dashes and em-dashes, you know it involved <del>artificial intelligences</del> <u>competent writers and editors.</u></p><p><a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>writing</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/editing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>editing</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>AI</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.ca/tags/punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>punctuation</span></a></p>
JdeBP<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://cyberplace.social/@WiteWulf" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>WiteWulf</span></a></span> </p><p>The amusing thing is that if you go to the actual NYT article (which has two other people in its byline) you can see the copy editing, elisions, and omissions that turned the original article's correctly punctuated first paragraph into that mess of a Twitter post.</p><p><a href="https://mastodonapp.uk/tags/NewYorkTimes" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>NewYorkTimes</span></a> <a href="https://mastodonapp.uk/tags/BadJournalism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BadJournalism</span></a> <a href="https://mastodonapp.uk/tags/punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>punctuation</span></a></p>
Wendy Palmer<p>Love a semi-colon.</p><p>Love a pair of em-dashes (yes, I know), though actually I use the space—en-dash—space formation these days to match with my single quotation mark*.</p><p>And on this WIP, I’ve finally given in and allowed brackets too**.</p><p>I also have a single occasion in the WIP on which it would very apt to use a footnote*** but I haven’t decided if it’ll pass the first draft yet or not.</p><p><a href="https://zirk.us/@grammargirl/114780005280908908" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">zirk.us/@grammargirl/114780005</span><span class="invisible">280908908</span></a></p><p>*If you pay attention to punctuation in trad-published books, and why would anyone, you might notice a general pattern of US = double quotation marks and em-dash, UK = single quotation marks and spaced en-dash. I was AU mix-and-matching, but the wrong way round (AU books sometimes use double quotations but en-dashes) until I couldn’t take it anymore 😂 </p><p>**Funny how the subconscious brain works: my POV MC is quiet and keeps a lot of secrets, OF COURSE HE THINKS IN BRACKETS…</p><p>***yes, a Terry Pratchett reference</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/WritingCommunity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WritingCommunity</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>punctuation</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.au/tags/MoreFunThanRealNewsRightNow" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MoreFunThanRealNewsRightNow</span></a></p>
Candace Robb<p>This is a delicious tribute to the sensual semi-colon. Enjoy! </p><p>"Witness this gorgeous specimen by Christopher Marlowe, in ‘Hero and Leander’:</p><p> Come thither; As she spake this, her toong tript.<br> For vnawares (Come thither) from her slipt.<br> And sodainly her former colour chang’d.<br> And here and there her eies through anger rang’d.</p><p>That slight, erotic pause after the first ‘thither’; it’s heavenly."<br><a href="https://historians.social/tags/words" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>words</span></a> <a href="https://historians.social/tags/punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>punctuation</span></a> <a href="https://historians.social/tags/writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>writing</span></a></p><p><a href="https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-semicolon-had-its-moment-that-moment-is-over/#comments-container" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">spectator.co.uk/article/the-se</span><span class="invisible">micolon-had-its-moment-that-moment-is-over/#comments-container</span></a></p>
Of Bookish Things<p>Could the Semicolon Die Out? Recent Analysis Finds a Decline in Its Usage in British Literature and Confusion Among U.K. Students</p><p><a href="https://c.im/tags/Language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Language</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Writing</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Punctuation</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Semicolon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Semicolon</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/BritishLiterature" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BritishLiterature</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/UnitedKingdom_education" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>UnitedKingdom_education</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/Education" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Education</span></a></p><p><a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/could-the-semicolon-die-out-a-recent-study-finds-a-marked-decline-in-its-usage-180986689/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/</span><span class="invisible">could-the-semicolon-die-out-a-recent-study-finds-a-marked-decline-in-its-usage-180986689/</span></a></p>
Aethelflaed<p><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>language</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>punctuation</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/literature" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>literature</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/history" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>history</span></a> </p><p>As someone who loves learning languages I had to report on this. It is thought that the semi-colon is set to die out in English literature. Most young people apparently do not know how to use it correctly. It has been in use since the end of the 15th century. In 1701 it appeared in a ratio of 1:90 words, whilst today it appears just once for every 390 words. A huge fall. It is thought people are afraid of using it incorrectly. <a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/could-the-semicolon-die-out-a-recent-study-finds-a-marked-decline-in-its-usage-180986689/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/</span><span class="invisible">could-the-semicolon-die-out-a-recent-study-finds-a-marked-decline-in-its-usage-180986689/</span></a></p>
JordiGH<p>The Laws of the Spanish Language, Chapter 3, Section 4, Subsection 9, Verse 2, Item c:</p><p>Thou mayest use one exclamatory symbol customarily, two in times of need, three as an extreme measure, but four exclamatory signs are right out, and five are out of the question.</p><p><a href="https://www.rae.es/ortograf%C3%ADa/usos-especiales-de-los-signos-de-interrogaci%C3%B3n-y-exclamaci%C3%B3n" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">rae.es/ortograf%C3%ADa/usos-es</span><span class="invisible">peciales-de-los-signos-de-interrogaci%C3%B3n-y-exclamaci%C3%B3n</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/RAE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RAE</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/Spanish" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Spanish</span></a> <a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/tags/punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>punctuation</span></a></p>
Stan Carey<p>Reading a university style guide that recommends "eleven year-old children".</p><p>This does not mean what they think it means, but on the plus side it could lead to some wildly amusing data.</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>punctuation</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/hyphens" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>hyphens</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>writing</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/StyleGuide" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>StyleGuide</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>language</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/orthography" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>orthography</span></a></p>
Stan Carey<p>I don't think any punctuation marks need protecting, by the way. The Apostrophe Protection Society, for example, is a dogmatic organisation with an appetite for shaming people and no apparent understanding of the apostrophe's diverse history and continuing mutability.</p><p>Punctuation patterns ebb and flow and change with the times. If people see the need for a particular mark, they'll keep using it.</p><p><a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>punctuation</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/semicolon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>semicolon</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/apostrophe" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>apostrophe</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/prescriptivism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>prescriptivism</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/language" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>language</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>writing</span></a></p>
Stan Carey<p>In all the recent fuss over the semicolon's apparent decline (see e.g. <a href="https://theconversation.com/semicolons-are-becoming-increasingly-rare-their-disappearance-should-be-resisted-257019" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">theconversation.com/semicolons</span><span class="invisible">-are-becoming-increasingly-rare-their-disappearance-should-be-resisted-257019</span></a> ), I've seen no mention of Cecelia Watson's book, which I reviewed here: <a href="https://stancarey.wordpress.com/2019/08/12/book-review-semicolon-by-cecelia-watson/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">stancarey.wordpress.com/2019/0</span><span class="invisible">8/12/book-review-semicolon-by-cecelia-watson/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/semicolon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>semicolon</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>punctuation</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/writing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>writing</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/books" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>books</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/BookReview" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BookReview</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ie/tags/WritingCommunity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WritingCommunity</span></a></p>
Asakiyume<p>D'awww, I clicked on "Give Thanks to Punctuation," because as a copy editor, how could I not? And it's delightful. Melos Han-Tani says much of the music for DANCHI DAYS is reused from earlier games, but this particular track is new to this game. <a href="https://wandering.shop/tags/VideoGameMusic" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>VideoGameMusic</span></a> <a href="https://wandering.shop/tags/Punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Punctuation</span></a> </p><p><a href="https://htch.bandcamp.com/track/give-thanks-to-punctuation" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">htch.bandcamp.com/track/give-t</span><span class="invisible">hanks-to-punctuation</span></a></p>
Bill Kimler<p>Why aren't any of our elected leaders addressing this situation that's approaching crisis levels! We're already down by 50% and the trend is accelerating!</p><p><a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/punctuation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>punctuation</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/semicolon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>semicolon</span></a> <a href="https://mstdn.social/tags/savethesemicolon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>savethesemicolon</span></a> </p><p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/may/18/marked-decline-semicolon-use-english-books-study-suggests" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">theguardian.com/science/2025/m</span><span class="invisible">ay/18/marked-decline-semicolon-use-english-books-study-suggests</span></a></p>

Decline in semicolon usage, and thank goodness, not least because people generally don't know how to use them correctly.

I try to get my non-native English-speaking colleagues to cut down on their use and to please do not use them in bullet lists.

"Too academic for our purposes!" I say.

Although a careful, considered semicolon, a literary semicolon, I can get behind.

theguardian.com/science/2025/m

The Guardian · Marked decline in semicolons in English books, study suggestsBy Amelia Hill

“To study the cuisines of the world is to study the cultures, traditions, and habits of different civilizations. All social studies can be filtered through the study of food. It is studied by practitioners in so many different disciplines, including: the anthropologist examining ancient civilizations; the historian exploring the history of trade in the New World; the sociologist considering food in different strata of society; the politician looking into embargoes on food and import/export trade;the student of religion studying food taboos in the Bible; the philosopher looking into the applications of a specific lifestyle;and the physician comparing foods that cure and foods that kill.”
Jacques Pépin, Chez Jacques
Stewart, Tahiti & Chang, 2007

Beyond the bare reading of the text, two things pop out at me: the use of the Oxford comma n the first sentence, and the deluge of semi-colons following. Thank you to editor Julie Stillman for letting them stand.

I have had people go frothing at the mouth when I point out that a lot of #punctuation is "#silence #notation."

A #comma is a point of silence, it is shorter than the point of silence of a #period. #Ellipsis (...) is a fade to silence. #Emdash/dash is an abrupt silence. #Parenthesis invokes a point of silence before and after an aside, much the same length as a comma.

People forget that the written word is made to represent the spoken word, that includes silence and change of pitch.

? and !

The marketing team at my company puts periods at the end of everything—titles, section headings, any group of words even if it isn’t a sentence. I suppose it is some kind of branding or trend thing but it drives me bonkers.