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Wouter TebbensA great introduction to <a href="https://social.coop/tags/hREA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#hREA</a>, the backend software on Holochain to represent complex economic <a href="https://social.coop/tags/valueflows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#valueflows</a> with the REA-based ontology. <a href="https://happeningscommunity.substack.com/p/from-rea-to-hrea-a-journey-into-decentralized" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://happeningscommunity.substack.com/p/from-rea-to-hrea-a-journey-into-decentralized</a>Building on the work of many, like <a href="https://social.coop/@lynnfoster" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@lynnfoster</a> and <a href="https://social.coop/@bhaugen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@bhaugen</a> from mikorizal.org and valueflows.ws

Travis F Wthe cycles these <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/valueFlows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#valueFlows</a> form will naturally appear after sustained activity regardless of any attempt to do so. The same way your dollar goes into some rich person's pocket … and eventually back into a pay check (okay so it's not a great example because of bottlenecks to the "velocity of money"), also, the simple awareness of concurrent needs, potential fulfillment of those needs, and thriving cycles of value flows, is enough to make the economy work without any sums or balances!

StrypeyIn 2017, I wrote a brief history of the fediverse;<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190617225539/https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/blog/2017/04/01/a-brief-history-of-the-gnu-social-fediverse-and-the-federation" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20190617225539/https://www.coactivate.org/projects/disintermedia/blog/2017/04/01/a-brief-history-of-the-gnu-social-fediverse-and-the-federation</a>... which mentioned the ValueFlows vocabulary. I had a feeling the two would eventually intersect. <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/TIL" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#TIL</a> about an FEP that uses the VF vocabulary to make a federated marketplace possible;<a href="https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/0837/fep-0837.md" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/0837/fep-0837.md</a><a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/ValueFlows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ValueFlows</a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/FEP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#FEP</a> <a href="https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/tags/MarketPlace" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#MarketPlace</a>

jon ⚝<a href="https://mastodon.social/@RuthMalan" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@RuthMalan</a> I followed the traces, finding the idea of <a href="https://degrowth.social/tags/ConversationsForAction" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ConversationsForAction</a> again, also used in REA and <a href="https://degrowth.social/tags/ValueFlows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ValueFlows</a> (cc <a href="https://social.coop/@lynnfoster" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@lynnfoster</a>, <a href="https://social.coop/@bhaugen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@bhaugen</a>), already in this 2013 slide 10:<a href="https://openresearch.ocadu.ca/id/eprint/2159/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://openresearch.ocadu.ca/id/eprint/2159/</a> <a href="http://coevolving.com/commons/201412-formakademisk-design-flaws-and-service-system-breakdowns" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">http://coevolving.com/commons/201412-formakademisk-design-flaws-and-service-system-breakdowns</a> <a href="https://openresearch.ocadu.ca/id/eprint/2159/2/Ing_Slides_2013.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://openresearch.ocadu.ca/id/eprint/2159/2/Ing_Slides_2013.pdf</a>Which reemerges on 37f. in<a href="http://coevolving.com/commons/20220304-systems-thinking-through-changes" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">http://coevolving.com/commons/20220304-systems-thinking-through-changes</a> <a href="http://coevolving.com/pubs/202203_CodeForCanada_SystemsThinkingThroughChanges_CC-BY-SA_v0304a.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">http://coevolving.com/pubs/202203_CodeForCanada_SystemsThinkingThroughChanges_CC-BY-SA_v0304a.pdf</a>where it connects to <a href="https://degrowth.social/tags/FuturesCones" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#FuturesCones</a> (cc <a href="https://mastodon.social/@lisrosello" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@lisrosello</a>) (<a href="https://hack.allmende.io/s/SykyO7J6z" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://hack.allmende.io/s/SykyO7J6z</a> ff.)Now as the "rhythmic shifts for doing":<a href="https://coevolving.com/blogs/index.php/archive/systems-changes-learning-recasting-reifying-jsci/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://coevolving.com/blogs/index.php/archive/systems-changes-learning-recasting-reifying-jsci/</a> <a href="http://coevolving.com/pubs/2022_JSCI_v20_n07_p011_Ing_SystemsChangesLearningRecastingReifying.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">http://coevolving.com/pubs/2022_JSCI_v20_n07_p011_Ing_SystemsChangesLearningRecastingReifying.pdf</a>

Lynn FosterPosting an informal video of initial progress on an app for the Carbon Farm Network, a textile supply chain network in the NY Hudson Valley. Uses Holochain, hREA, Valueflows.<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUUGcGyeF4" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUUGcGyeF4</a> (31 minutes)So far, we have offers, requests, planning from recipe for the season, starting into recording economic events against the plan and coordinating through the season. Much much more to do!<a href="https://social.coop/tags/valueflows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#valueflows</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/holochain" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#holochain</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/floss" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#floss</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/coop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#coop</a>

Matt NoyesOkay, so the interview with Euclides Mance is up and he hits a lot of hot topics -- I am eager to know what you make of it.<a href="https://social.coop/tags/floss" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#floss</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/blockchain" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#blockchain</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/Digital_Alternative_Currencies" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Digital_Alternative_Currencies</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/solidarityeconomy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#solidarityeconomy</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/circulareconomy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#circulareconomy</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/globalsouth" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#globalsouth</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/popular_education" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#popular_education</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/platformcoop" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#platformcoop</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/valueflows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#valueflows</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/cooperatives" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#cooperatives</a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/alternatives_to_development" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#alternatives_to_development</a><a href="https://geo.coop/articles/liberation-economist-part-2" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank">https://geo.coop/articles/liberation-economist-part-2</a>

Matt NoyesReading notes: Razeto, TEC

CynthesisToday2/2 <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/ValueFlows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ValueFlows</a> (VF) built into AP that service physical economy will need to map the physical terrain to the instance terrain in some way. Apples, pies, and sharing trucks need physical proximity. A ValueFlows Story about Pies<a href="https://www.valueflo.ws/assets/ValueFlows-Story.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.valueflo.ws/assets/ValueFlows-Story.pdf</a>

CynthesisToday<a href="https://infosec.exchange/@jerry" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@jerry</a> Is figuring out how to integrate <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/ValueFlows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ValueFlows</a> (VF) into instances using <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/ActivityPub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a> on the <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> development list somewhere? You are definitely well-connected to the underpinnings of the Fediverse and probably know about planned direction. Are there plans to make funding all the pieces of the Fediverse (bw, hw, sw, labor) more automatic and integrated into the signup? I give funds to 2 instances, an infosec person, and ValueFlows dev for a total of $40.35/mo. PayPal and Patreon were easy to set up. It was really hard to figure out how to fund what I think is a critical piece of ensuring longevity of the Fedi-- distributing funds within. The <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/Bonfire" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Bonfire</a> instance gave me the link to VF. Really knowledgeable, involved people are working on VF. I'm not a Dev, but docs there look like it could serve Fedi fund distribution. <a href="https://hrea.io/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://hrea.io/</a>Are there other plans for making funding better integrated into the Fedi? IMO, systematic financing is the weakest link to a sustainable Fediverse.

CynthesisToday<a href="https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@mastodonmigration</a> <a href="https://social.coop/@loshmi" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@loshmi</a> 2/3Spent my first few days around here trying to figure out a fair share "<a href="https://sfba.social/tags/subscription" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#subscription</a>". Very few provide an idea of how much would help. sfba.social said about $1000/mo in cost to sustain service (excluding labor). Set up my $10.35/mo for ecosystem infrastructure there. Knowing an ecosystem needs an immune system, decided to Patreon an infosec person on fedia.io at $10/mo.An ecosystem also needs a way to move the energy source around the system. Spent some time trying to find where that might be in the <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a>. Patreon, Kofi and et al. seem to be the most prominent means at the moment. Found <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/Bonfire" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Bonfire</a> whose protocol includes the <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/ValueFlows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ValueFlows</a> vocabulary. AFAIK, this is closest to an energy transport system for the Fediverse. Maybe there are other vocabularies for creating a circulatory system in the Fediverse. <a href="https://forum.holochain.org/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://forum.holochain.org/</a> seems to be where deployments of ValueFlows are being worked (moved to <a href="https://sfba.social/tags/discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#discord</a>). Exploring more before setting up a subscription.Ed: 2/3

David Potocnik<a href="https://social.coop/tags/Economics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Economics</a>: Anyone in my network interested to study & discuss <a href="https://social.coop/tags/valueflows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#valueflows</a> , especially from a communist perspective? <a href="https://www.valueflo.ws/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.valueflo.ws/</a> I've been trying for a while to dive into this, but think I'll need somebody to go along for the ride :-)

pospi 🏳️‍⚧️<a href="https://mastodon.cyborch.com/@anders" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@anders</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/@atomicpoet" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@atomicpoet</a> my hope is that in part these tools will create the social and economic networks of the future. Friends of mine at <a href="http://bonfirenetworks.org/" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://bonfirenetworks.org/</a> are building one such tool! <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Bonfire" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Bonfire</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/ActivityPub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ActivityPub</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Fediverse</a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Valueflows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#Valueflows</a>

bhaugen<a href="https://cathode.church/@50htz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@50htz</a> Thanks for the mention. > <a href="https://social.coop/@bhaugen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@bhaugen</a> is front man for <a href="https://social.coop/tags/ValueFlows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ValueFlows</a>, a vocabulary for modeling economic exchange.I'm the one who hangs out in Fedi the most, but <a href="https://social.coop/@lynnfoster" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@lynnfoster</a> is the maintainer and gets the credit..And we focus it more on economic collaboration, altho it handles exchange as well. This is what it was designed for: <a href="https://write.as/economic-networks/coordinate-the-flows" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://write.as/economic-networks/coordinate-the-flows</a><a href="https://social.coop/@ntnsndr" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ntnsndr</a> <a href="https://kitty.town/@gingerrroot" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@gingerrroot</a> <a href="https://scholar.social/@CaribenxMarciaX" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@CaribenxMarciaX</a> <a href="https://indieweb.social/@bonfire" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@bonfire</a> <a href="https://octodon.social/@spritelyinst" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@spritelyinst</a>

Chris<a href="https://social.coop/@ntnsndr" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@ntnsndr</a> 1. There are hash tags used to signal admins - <a href="https://cathode.church/tags/FediBlockMeta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#FediBlockMeta</a> and (#)FediBlock. These were started by <a href="https://kitty.town/@gingerrroot" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@gingerrroot</a> and <a href="https://scholar.social/@CaribenxMarciaX" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@CaribenxMarciaX</a> and there's some interest in making a website2. <a href="https://social.coop/@bhaugen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@bhaugen</a> is front man for <a href="https://cathode.church/tags/ValueFlows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#ValueFlows</a>, a vocabulary for modeling economic exchange. <a href="https://indieweb.social/@bonfire" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@bonfire</a> is an AP implementation committed to bringing ideas like that to the Fedi. <a href="https://octodon.social/@spritelyinst" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@spritelyinst</a> is a project targeted towards making Fedi a safer place, a prerequisite for operating games and hosting financial transactions 3. I've seen people here being quite, umm, 'explicit' about the types of markets not tolerated on Fedi. It could be more clear, though, which markets are supported. That is to say, we want people to be able to market their own labor but not labor that's been stolen by capital. Damn. Still emphasizing the negative

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