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Why capitalists are coming out against democracy - "Does classical liberalism imply democracy?"

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"There is a fault line running through ... liberalism as to whether or not democratic self- governance is a necessary part of a liberal social order. The democratic and non-democratic strains of classical liberalism are both present today. Many ... libertarians ... represent the non-democratic strain in their promotion of non-democratic sovereign city-states."

@sneerclub

As a non-denominational leftist, liberalism is poison and leads to fascism without intervention. So yeah this tracks

I'm a leftist as well. The paper argues that the non-democratic liberals are wrong about the implications of liberal principles. It even goes further and makes an argument that coherent liberalism must also oppose capitalism, and capitalism is inherently non-democratic. By the end, the paper argues that a democratic economy controlled by workers is the only kind of economic organization compatible with liberalism. Capitalist liberalism is poison because it is incoherent

@sneerclub

coherent liberalism must also oppose capitalism, and capitalism is inherently non-democratic

Yup, and I hate that “liberal” for most people means something completely different. I self-identify as a liberal, in the sense that, for example, a rentier class of landlords exists or that any human’s existence is completely dependent on their job and income is inherently counter to liberal ideals.

I don’t know when someone decided we’ll mean something anti-liberal by the word “liberal” but they can go fuck themselves.

🆘Bill Cole 🇺🇦

@V0ldek @sneerclub It happened when rich people realized that their individual liberty in a world of mostly poor people would intrinsically be constrained by proper democracy.

A government dedicated to maximizing the broadest possible freedom will, if allowed, redistribute wealth from the rich to the poor, to provide the poor more opportunities & limit the dangerous “freedoms” of the ultra-wealthy to impose their own control over others.