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@wdlindsy@toad.social"Today Trump confirmed that he intends to bypass normal legal constraints on his actions by declaring a national emergency on his first day in office in order to launch his mass deportation of undocumented migrants."
~ Heather Cox Richardson
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/november-18-2024
"While the Congressional Budget Office estimates this mass deportation will cost at least $88 billion a year, another cost that is rarely mentioned is that according to Bloomberg, undocumented immigrants currently pay about $100 billion a year in taxes. Losing that income, too, will likely have to be made up with cuts from elsewhere."
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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"Donald Trump said on Monday that his administration would declare a national emergency and use the US military to carry out mass deportations of undocumented immigrants."
~ Jem Bartholomew
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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What is being planned:
"[To] ederalize state national guard personnel and deploy them for immigration enforcement, including sending troops from friendly Republican-governed states into neighboring states with governors who decline to participate."
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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"Using the military domestically — absent any crisis remotely needed to prompt or justify such a move — would break with centuries of practice in the United States, giving a President who has promised to deploy troops against the 'enemy from within' the most powerful, and potentially unconstrained, tool in the federal arsenal."
~ Josh Kovensky
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-reminds-everyone-he-wants-us-soldiers-in-us-streets
"Under Trump's plan, immigrants awaiting resolution of their cases would remain in hastily constructed 'vast holding facilities for years'.”
~ Robert B. Hubbell
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/we-must-build-our-own-media-ecosystem
"Trump’s immigration crackdown is all but certain to go beyond mass deportations. The president-elect has made clear that he intends to tear down the country’s immigration system as we know it, by ending birthright citizenship, reviving the 'Muslim Ban,' and rolling back refugee resettlement."
~ Arianna Coghill
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/11/trump-mass-deportations-military-national-emergency/
"Even 'documented' immigrants will not be safe, because Miller has declared that he will pursue the seldom-used process of 'denaturalization' to go after people who have been citizens for years or decades, based on suspicions about purported fraud on their naturalization applications. Individuals stripped of citizenship will then be subject to deportation along with Miller’s other targets."
~ Steven Lubet
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #MassDeportation #cruelty
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https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4992787-trump-deportation-plan-immigration/
"And it’s not just Latinos. Arabs will be heavily targeted, as well as Trump-loving Filipinos."
~ kos
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"And Mr. Trump said he would make Thomas Homan, who ran ICE for the first year and a half of the Trump administration and was an early proponent of separating families to deter migrants, his administration’s 'border czar.'”
~ Charlie Savage and Michael Gold
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/18/us/politics/trump-military-mass-deportation.html
"Mr. Homan told The New York Times in 2023 that he had met with Mr. Trump shortly after the now president-elect announced that he would seek office again. During that meeting, Mr. Homan said, he 'agreed to come back' in a second term and would 'help to organize and run the largest deportation operation this country’s ever seen.'”
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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Pedro Molina comments on why people REALLY voted for Trump and what they want:
The cruelty is the point.
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/11/19/2287105/-Cartoon-Fearing-the-worst
"The next president has promised to start mass deportations of undocumented immigrants on his first day in office. He plans to force the military and local law enforcement agencies to round up anyone he thinks is undocumented.
There are several problems with this (of course there are):"
~ Pamela Hilliard Owens
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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https://wearespeaking.substack.com/p/the-1798-aliens-and-sedition-acts
"• The program only targets brown and Black immigrants.
•Even undocumented immigrants pay millions in taxes from which they cannot receive benefits and spend tens of millions in the economy.
• Very few undocumented immigrants commit crimes, although the MAGAs escalate any crime to unnecessary attention, trying to cast all undocumented immigrants as dangerous criminals falsely."
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"• Documented immigrants and American citizens may be caught up in this program.
• Undocumented immigrants make up the majority of people who pick and pack our fruits and vegetables, work in meat-packing plants and nursing homes, and work on construction projects all around the country."
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"• If undocumented immigrants also have American-born children, it is planned to deport them as well, although the 14th Amendment protects the American citizenship of the children."
#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
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TBH...
Given the number of Chump voters that will find themselves "surprised" to be in these crosshairs, I unfortunately find myself in the position of not being able to work up sympathy for them.
Many were duped.
Some voted Chump anyway cause "it won't affect me".
Guess what? Surprise!!
@lupus_blackfur I find myself adopting a very cold-eyed, clear-headed, sympathy-free approach, too, as I prepare for the almost unfathomable cruelty I expect to be unleashed on all of us due to the horrific choices some of us have made.
There are just so many competing narratives on why people voted as they did.
There is the "they are cruel and evil" narrative, the economic hardship narrative, and many others.
Normally I just spilt the difference, but at this point I have no idea what to believe without becoming my own scholar on the subject.
@zagone If you see rounding up millions of people, incarcerating and deporting them, as something other than cruelty, then you and I see things rather differently.
William -- The first a-holes to eagerly round-up people are cruel and evil.
A year or so later, they might be that, or "just following orders", or scared for their family.
I thought we were talking about why people voted Trump? I'm open to the cruel bastards version, but there are so many other narratives including economic desperation.
Economic desperation can be viewed as clueless, lied to, greedy, and/or single-minded.
I had a guy who voted Harris and who makes about minimum wage clue me in on how important the economy was in all this.
Worldwide -- with inflation "after" COVID -- there has been a shift to the right in governments.
Now how people got fooled into thinking Trump or any other despot would be good for the poor and the economy is another issue.
@zagone "Fooled into" definitely seem like operative words here.
@zagone As commentators from Robert P. Jones to Paul Waldman to Charles Pierce and many others have noted, the "economic anxiety" narrative peddled by the media when Trump was elected in 2016 and rehabilitated all over again this go-round simply does not mesh with the facts. People may say that their reason for choosing Trump is economic, but dig beneath the surface to their attitudes about immigrants, gender-related issues, racial matters, LGBTQ and trans people, and there's a lot more there.
There is a synthesis position very possible here for some voters. People get economically threatened, become more tribal, then are encouraged to blame an outgroup (migrants, Latinos, etc.). If America used to be great, then rolling back the culture (women, LGBTQ, Trans) is loosely tied to their economic insecurity since those rights are the recent cultural changes.
I'm still thinking the causes of the election are varied and complex. That said there's no shortage of racist, fascist, misogynistic people.
The misogyny is definitely worsening in the high school to young men range.
#Trump voters didn't believe he would make good on mobilizing the military for #deportation of undocumented immigrants. It may happen in Texas, but it won't in New York or New Jersey.
@Stinson_108 We'll see, won't we? He and his folks have already said that if some states and cities resist, they'll bring in military from other states/cities. What's to stop them from doing that?
What prevents the White House from mobilizing the military for #deportation?
The Posse Comitatus Act, for one.
If you assume that law has no meaning, then it's a matter of finding people. Sure, use tax and vehicle licensing records for addresses. Then people start moving around. The Army will need the ccoperation of local police to access license plate readers. That's the kind of thing NJ and NY won't do.
@Stinson_108 We'll see.
@sun So it seems to me. And they often call evil good until it turns around and bites them in the hindquarters and they have to admit that they've either lied or been spectacularlly glind when they din't recognize the evil they promoted.
@wdlindsy is he going to look at Elon's papers and the reported illegal work he did while being on a student visa?
@carstenfranke Something tells me not.
My nabe is predominantly Pakistani Muslims and their American-born kids. It got a lot more Trump votes than you’d have expected. I don’t know what these fools were thinking.
No Americans, whatever their circumstances, will get through this unscathed—
Whatever the Trump Admin is allowed to do to immigrants, women, LGBTQs et al, they’ll eventually do to the rest of us.
@MollyNYC "No Americans, whatever their circumstances, will get through this unscathed": you are exactly right.
@wdlindsy
AKA concentration camps
@JoeChip Yes, for sure.
@phaedral Thanks for the link. Yes, I hear of people bragging that their "portfolio" is thriving now. I'm in the wait-and-see camp about what's going to happpen down the road.
@wdlindsy@toad.social And this is why it's a terrible, bad, awful idea to rely on "norms" to ensure good behavior
@greycat I'm not grasping your point. You'll have to explain it to me.
@wdlindsy@toad.social it is (apparently) a norm not to declare emergencies in order to justify deploying the military on US soil.
There's apparently no law preventing this, it just "isn't done." Until it is. And that's not a great way to run things.
@greycat Definitely not a great way to run things. A big step on the fascist path.
@wdlindsy What if they turn their guns around? Just a thought, many in the military hate him. Afterall, he called them sucker's and losers, then he defiled their sacred ground, Arlington.
@luv_wins I think once a society walks down the path of using its military to police and do violence to its citizens and targeted minority communities, violence will always proliferate, unfortunately.
@wdlindsy The hit on Social Security & Medicare will be devastating.
@Seilenos Definitely.
@wdlindsy Putting a dollar figure on such ugly inhumanity feels so… cold. Yet it is an undeniable part of the hideous equation, and the one that will get the attention of the fiscally-minded-but-hard-hearted.
@Laloofah Yes, it is part of the hideous equation, for sure. We've just watched a film about a group of Jewish children experimented on medically by the Nazis and then murdered just as Germany surrendered, and a constant theme in that film, based on a true story, was how groups in Germany and business leaders were raking in money due to the barbarism.
@wdlindsy We shouldn't fixate so hard on the mass deportations that we forget all the other things he'll do with his "emergency" powers.
@gooba42 Oh, I think fixating on the mass deportations is a very good thing to do. The cruelty that is being ushered in with the plan to start those the very first day he takes office, with the military at his disposal: what an opening script for dehumanization, violence, cruelty that will affect every one of us.
@wdlindsy I think the psychological distance between "immigrants" and "regular people" gives the wrong people comfort.
It adds the layer of "but I wasn't an immigrant so I didn't speak up".
@gooba42 But I think this is exactly why we need to keep our eyes firmly on what's going to happen to immigrants as soon as Trump takes office: It never stops with the targeted group.
@wdlindsy that all sounds like that if they get their say, a lot of Americans (those who are not millionaires) will feel a hard economic hit .
Maybe in 4 years time, people will finally be more smart in the elections then ...
@supergrobi I honestly don't know how one makes a large chunk of the population smarter, though, when it doesn't want to be smarter. I think especially of the white evangelicals who form the solid base of Trump's power, and who do not vote on the basis of information but on the basis of cultic religious ideas impervious to information.