lots of fedi servers have actually moderated my account for NOT #WishingIll on certain folks.
the new #bluesky hubbub could provide us an opportunity to reconsider moderation norms here and show how we're different and better, but "safety first except for the bad people who should be abused and the distinction is obvious" seems to be the popular policy here. my best go-to for censorious lefties is always "so how do we deal with people who think hating Israel is antisemitic"?
If this is correct, why would any server want to federate with a server with that term in their domain name? Shouldn't you assume that their users would intentionally try to annoy your users? Thus making the overall fedi a place most people wouldn't want to spend time in? The politics do not matter. They are welcoming/encouraging the one legal thing we should be trying hardest to deter here. Obviously unwanted mentions. Basically the worst version of spam. #fediblockmeta
#fediblock #fediblockmeta #fediblocks @/BlindHedgehogStew@c.im replyguy behavior conspiracy theriorist and evading a block
Often when I point out antisemitic hate speech on Mastodon.Social, a German person will tell me about the law in Germany and how M.S must remove certain types of hate speech because of the law there.
I get these messages from Germans every couple of weeks.
The problem is that only applies to a very narrow set of posts, and not other forms of antisemitic speech or hate speech generally.
Mastodon.Social complies with the law, but *just* the law.
They can say "We remove hate speech" and then define that as "Whatever German law says is hate speech."
Which to some means "Anything which is not removed must not be hate speech."
If you want to have hate speech removed because it's illegal in Germany, please do so, but let's not fool ourselves that if m.s does this that it means they care about hate speech, Jews, or any other minorities in their moderation.
Caring about legal compliance isn't the same as caring about people.
Whenever I post a Fediantisemitism post, the real question in my mind is about the admin of the server where the post is and whether they'll take the reports seriously.
I feel like that's really the key question, and one that's often lost in the anonymity of an instance.
The moral failure of the account being reported is no longer in question, but the morality of the admin/mods is.
Will they take appropriate action, or will they approve of hate speech (either directly or tacidly).
That's the real question.
proposal for a #FriendlyFederation norm
servers should block another server if they allow their users to harass users on other servers (unwanted mentions) or let their users pollute hashtags (use lots of unrelated tags in order to get unearned attention).
but servers should not block other servers because their users post untrue or offensive stuff, as long as nobody on other servers is tagged.
grow fedi via what worked for the web. open browsing while fighting spam.
We can allow all legal speech (except harassment) on social media if we decentralize and get rid of the ads and corporate algos.
We have decades of experience to know how to do this. It's how the web and email work. We let people browse and post what they want, and we have spam blocking software to address having crap pushed at us. The magic/difference on good social media is the boosts (and that mods are needed for the nuance of non spam abuse).
So tired of these arguments.
The Ancient Greeks understood the difference between the freedom to say anything (#parrhesia) and defending a wide equality in sharing ideas for the public good (#isegoria). Edgelords favor the former but their trolling deters speech, being an attack on the latter. To stand up for democracy and an open culture, we must be harsh towards efforts to force speech on others but gentle with any actions that limit anybody's access to others' speech. #fediblockmeta #SocialWeb
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/two-concepts-of-freedom-of-speech/546791/
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Evidentemente en estos momentos no estoy bien. La poca paz que tenía aquí se quebró y con esto pienso dejar el fedi por un tiempo, aunque no de manera permanente porque bueno... no tengo a donde más ir.
Yo no busco hacer un contra fediblock y pedir que bloquen a esta persona poque es caer en el juego de "me hicieron ahora yo hago". Mi trabajo me ha costado salir de esa clase de actitudes de niño chiquito.
Yo soy de la idea de que si se quiere que el fediverso en su conjunto sea un lugar pluricultural, de interacciones sanas y de provecho no se consigue mediante intimación, amenazas y acoso. Se hace fomentando el diálogo, las acciones inclusivas como el fomentar poner los alts, evitar 'doomposting', traer algo de humor sin dejar de lado a los que publican y comparten temas más serios.
El fedi es un lugar bonito, aunque hoy no lo ha sido para mi.
Si leíste todo este chorote, gracias.
#fediblockmeta
Limit accounts on your fedi server to whoever for whatever reasons, but do not fediblock other servers unless their admins allow illegality or fail to police their users from harassing users on other servers (unwanted tagging) or polluting hashtags (using irrelevant tags just to get their posts widely seen).
That's the norm I want on #SocialWeb to maximize dialog. It's only possible here cause our lack of algos means junk can be posted (like on many websites) but never seen. #fediblockmeta
I can't agree unless they are harassing people. we should federate with any server with people with any opinions unless they have users that tag others when they don't want to be tagged or pollute hashtags (or do illegal shit). that's the fedi magic. like the web with horrible websites, everybody can freely browse/communicate etc and we never need to see what we don't want to. except when people get tagged, and we should treat that like spam. block some servers etc. #fediblockmeta
The more that you've fought for speech rights to criticize Israel and been called antisemitic for doing so, the more likely you're a lefty who also understands that we can't just try to shut down conservatives who hold views we consider abhorrent.
It's not simple. People will really get their feelings hurt even when we are careful to try not to do so. Some things must be said to have important conversations. Such open spaces cannot be made fully "safe".
This is dumb.
The open web is being challenged right now and is actually under threat.
Not by blocklists or by left-wing protestors.
It's under threat from two giant corperations that control the smart phone market.
It's under threat from copyright law, and activist courts that value corperate profits over individual expression.
It's under threat by right-wing governments, or centerist governments that fall for right-wing lies.
If the web rolled out today, many would demand that browsers not be able to access conservative websites. They'd blackout or replace certain terms. To avoid having to see misinfo or stuff that was upsetting. There would be banners that shamed you for using a browser that didn't adhere to such a code of conduct. And if you complained, you'd be told you're free to use whatever you want. That a tiny web of lefties with most folks remaining on services like AOL is great for everybody. #fediblockmeta
I'm not sure that the DARVO approach is the most successful way to respond to critique of a community's management, but I guess we'll find out. #FediAdmin #FediBlockMeta
I assumed #xitter still did this but #DouglasMurray complained about not being able to stop the service from pushing crazy shit at him he didn't ask for, and #JoeRogan and #DaveSmith agreed.
That's not free speech. Only the #SocialWeb is capable of that, if we can learn to only moderate for harassment. #fediblockmeta
Just adding another piece of data to the pile of fedilore's constant distortions
Should the HOA culture here be treated as harassment/abuse? And if so, like we do with jerk fedi, should we defederate from servers that don't police it? It is unwanted tagging. It is obviously deterring usage of the network.
It is wildly irresponsible that WelshPixie is seeing one of their followers have a meltdown and destroy relationships on their behalf (over a year-old joke), and WelshPixie is just cheering that on.
Like, I can't imagine how disposable trans women would have to be in her their mind, for WelshPixie to not try to stop this.
