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Just ran into a brutal #UI / #UX problem in LibreOffice Calc, on a Debian bookworm system, fully up to date.

1. Decide to print spreadsheet
2. Open print dialog
3. Preview is in the left pane, options in the right.
4. Scroll down in the options pane to find an option near the bottom.
5. Change setting, or not.
6. Scroll back up to the top of the options pane, using the pointing device vertical scroll wheel.
7. If the "number of copies" scrollbox happens to pass under the mouse pointer, it will rapidly increase the number of copies. It's not particularly obvious this is happening; it's easy to miss the value is changing.
8. Move the mouse pointer slightly up and scrolling the options pane continues.
9. Click "print".

Voila! 23 copies of what you wanted to print a single copy of.

I actually ran into this while trying to debug a totally different UI / UX bug 😱

This kind of reminds me of a time I was asked to create what was essentially a bare bones controlled drug register in a spreadsheet for a small study. It worked but only because there were different sets of eyes monitoring it and I do not recommend it as a long term solution.

theregister.com/2025/03/10/nz_

The Register · $16 billion health department managed its finances with a single Excel spreadsheet. It hasn’t gone wellBy Simon Sharwood

Looks like this weekend will have to include time to review some #firefox alternatives after #mozilla 's last bit of madness... Can anyone else say #spreadsheet time?

Because I think there are definitely going to be that many options.

Side note: How the fuck is this all compatible with their pledge and #manifesto (mozilla.org/en-US/about/manife)?

MozillaThe Mozilla ManifestoThese are the principles that guide our mission to promote openness, innovation & opportunity on the web.
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@neauoire
I like it so much.

If the software development was done in a right way we'd end with the most often used tools which don't have a reason to get new features anymore (text editors, spreadsheets, file managers) rewritten in the most efficient way possible. Like, idk, in C with hot path in assembly (or in Rust for security-critcal parts) with tiny memory footprint on 90% trivial cases, milliseconds to first user input etc.
In fact we have exact the opposite - asm in the office apps was absolutely normal in the 90x and I can't imagine anyone doing this nowadays, memory footprint of an empty spreadsheet is 200MB and it takes 5sec. to load with cold cache on a 3Ghz 4 cores with 16G ram with SSD. And the most items in the changelog are about fixing compatibility with some proprietary crap (in FOSS) or adding AI, moving to subscription model or even more telemetry in non-free.
#assembly #foss #spreadsheet

I love a good #spreadsheet. I've used them for all sorts of things, including things as complex as double-entry bookkeeping. One of the biggest limitations I've run into is adding rows to the end of a range. For example, say I have 10 rows, and then the 11th row is the total. Then I insert another row after the first 10. Now I've got 11 rows of data, and the 12th row has a total of 1-10, but won't include row 11 in the total. Any other spreadsheets nerds have good ways to handle this situation?

Okay, I don't know if this is a #GTK thing, a #Gnome thing, a #LibreOffice thing, or a #Cinnamon thing, but I just discovered probably the most user-hostile "helpful" behaviour I've seen in a piece of #software in a long, long time.

The find-and-replace dialog in the LibreOffice #spreadsheet - I haven't checked the remainder of the apps - has the typical buttons for "Find All", "Find Previous", "Find Next", "Replace", and "Replace All".

... and no obvious keyboard shortcuts for them. Nothing shown, no #affordances, no typical underlined or bolded letter in each button's label text. Doing a large amount of selective search&replace (don't ask #Etsy cough cough) is incredibly painful. There's *got* to be #keyboard #shortcuts, right?

Here's the #evil: the shortcut keys are not indicated *until you hold down the alt key*. Then it underlines the appropriate letter in each button's label, but those underlines disappear again when you release the alt key.

So you can study this bloody dialog box until the cows come home and never see a hint of a keyboard shortcut, even though it has them.

#$*&!^%@ Who thought this was a good idea?

Weird question about Microsoft Excel

So I have been wanting to learn more about how to use Microsoft Excel so I can teach other people about some of the more advanced programming techniques (EDIT: 1-on-1 lessons on their own computer with their own licensed copies of Excel). I want to teach myself more about Excel so I was going to install it on my own computer and do some advanced tutorials. But then I really do not want to burn up all of that disk space just to run Wine and Excel.

So I got to thinking:

  1. is there an older version of Microsoft Excel I could use instead?
  2. The “ribbon” UI/UX asside, how far back in time (in Excel software versions) would I have to go before the formula language and cell computation engine became too different from the most recent Excel that it would not be very useful for me as a learning/teaching tool?
  3. Would it take less disk space to run this in a minimal Windows NT 2000 or Windows XP instance on QEMU than it would take on Wine?