@nigel #xmpp rules. inve been using that exclusively since years and raised the notification issue as soon as matrix came out.

#conversations #dino works well.
On macos it seems #beagle is better than #monal for me but have not tested much.

Message Displayed Synchronization should work with #conversations (Android) and #monal (iOS) and of course with Gajim.

@getalifemike @notjustbikes I, for one, highly appreciate nlnet's sponsorship of the #Monal #XMPP client - a crucial piece of the larger XMPP ecosystem. In #Canada, where I'm from, 60% of #Canadians have iPhones!

@eliasp
Es gibt nicht nur Signal. Siehe Artikel & Empfehlungen (abhängig von Sicherheitsbedürfnis & Vertraulichkeit) - Quelle:
https://www.kuketz-blog.de/messenger-matrix-uebersicht-vergleich-der-aktuellen-messenger/

Folgende Messenger haben eine Empfehlung bekommen - hier zusammengefasst nach #Zielgruppe, #Herkunft & #Betriebssystem (#Mobil / #Desktop):

1) #Threema - #Einsteiger - #Schweiz - für iOS & Android & Desktop (Win, macOS, GNU/Linux)
2) #Signal - Einsteiger - #USA - für iOS & Android & Desktop (Win, macOS, GNU/Linux)
3) #Monal (#XMPP) - #Fortgeschrittene - US / DE - für iOS & Desktop (macOS) - siehe https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_XMPP-Clients
4) #Element (#Matrix) - Fortgeschrittene - #GB / #DE - für iOS & Desktop (diverse Clients für Win, macOS, GNU/Linux - siehe https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/)
5) #Conversations (XMPP) - Fortgeschrittene - DE - für Android (siehe https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_XMPP-Clients)
6) #Briar - Nerds, Aktivisten, Journalisten - int. Team - für Android und Desktop (Win, macOS, GNU/Linux)

Link zur Messenger - Matrix:
https://www.messenger-matrix.de/

@OhWeh @signalapp
@threemaapp
@inaruck

@mastodonmigration Obligatory reminder that #Signal relies on a centralized and proprietary server, and does not belong here.

Users of #WhatsApp #Telegram #Discord #Signal and #Threema etc should use #XMPP instead, which is #FreeSoftware and federated.

Users - check out #Quicksy (Android and iOS), #Prav, #Conversations, #Cheogram, #MonoclesChat, #Gajim, #Movim, #Monal...

Self-hosters, check out #Snikket.

Learn more with this user's guide -
https://contrapunctus.codeberg.page/the-quick-and-easy-guide-to-xmpp.html

@aronow @debacle the important point about federation is choice - other people need not make the same choice like we do when it comes to phone number usage. So I think giving people an option to pick from Monal and Quicksy is better than suggesting Monal as the only option. #xmpp #monal #quicksy

@Theeo123

#JohanaBhuiyan suggests to #autoDelete messages and I agree with her.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/nov/20/how-to-opt-out-location-sharing-smartphones

While this is not a "hard" security measure and might lead to a false sense of security, it is an easy and effective method of #dataHygiene.

I wonder, if any #Jabber clients have this feature?

#Conversations by @daniel, #Dino by @dino, #Gajim by @gajim, #Monal by @Monal, #SiskinIM by @tigase, anyone?

@maple @Monal I too use #Gajim on my Linux Mint Desktop, when I want to type in something long-winded, which would take too long to tap on a phone. My keyboard typing is much faster than my phone tapping.

So I see Gajim as sort of "supplementing" Conversations, when I need a desktop app. Conversations is my "go to" (especially for its video and audio push-to-talk memos, which are IMHO under-rated), and the one I would sooner recommend to friends, who are all "mobile-first" sort of people.

Since #Conversations supports voice memos, if I have the sense that my recipient is OK with those instead of typing, those long-winded texts become voice memos instead, on my phone, which are to me highly-convenient.

I have no experience with #Monal, and would love to hear it compared with #Conversations.

@Monal @sbb I think everyone is assuming I use a phone for messaging. I do not, and never will unless there is absolutely no other alternative. I use my desktop computer, which right now is running #Ubuntu Linux although I hope someday to switch (probably to PopOS with the Cosmic desktop when it is out of alpha/beta), but before that I used to run a 2014 Mac Mini with MacOS until Apple decided it was too old to run the latest version of their ever-increasingly enshittified operating system. So when I talk about #XMPP clients, I am specifically talking about clients that run on the Linux desktop or are cross-platform.

#Monal only seems to be for iOS and macOS and right now I am not running either of those, so can't try it. I remember trying it a few years ago in MacOS and I really did not like it then for reasons I can no longer recall, in fact I continued to use Adium which was a older than dirt program but yet it was the easiest to set up and configure (in part because it did not insist that the server have a valid certificate before it would even communicate with it). However it could only do text; trying to send images or files would always fail.

Now I am using #Gajim which is the only client I have found that ticks most of the boxes for desired functionality. It's not absolutely perfect but it's very usable once you get it configured correctly.

Also, I am not at this point real interested in using a public XMPP server because I only use XMPP for two reasons, to talk to and send files to other family members, and to get certain status messages from a couple of servers. None of that needs to be on a public server. And the main reason I stopped using IRC was because I didn't like it because nothing was permanent or searchable (which may be an advantage in some cases, but not if you are using it for software support or tech advice, where you could miss an answer to a question you asked if you log out or lose your network connection unexpectedly). But for one off casual use (where some software maker still thinks IRC is the bees knees), it is possible to connect to a web-based IRC client and ask your question, without even setting up a client, in fact on some servers you don't even need to log in.

I'm not saying no one should use XMPP rather than IRC, there are almost certainly use cases where XMPP is the best choice, but you will never convince me that it's easier to use. Not that I would want to use either one for group chats, but with LIRC I can simply go to a server site and go to their web client, select a user name, and join a particular chat using the chat name. With XMPP I would need to install software, figure out how to connect it to a server (and probably login) and then configure it, knowing full well I'd be lucky to find more than a handful of people in the same room. IRC was great before we had web-based forums, but not that many people want to sit around and wait for someone to show up that they may want to chat with (gamers MAY be an exception to that but I am not a gamer so can't speak to that).